Heroic Insider #9: Inside The DC Films Shakeup & Rebirth

Heroic Insider

***ON THIS EPISODE***
*DC FILMS
With the recent restructuring at Warners Bros and DC Comics, how will the newly named team of Geoff Johns and Jon Berg navigate the waters of shaping the DC cinematic universe?
*JUSTICE LEAGUE
How will these developments, as well as the reduced role that producer Charles Roven will now be playing in DC Films adaptations, (as well as possibly Zack Snyder?) impact the movie and the rest of the universe going forward?
*THE BATMAN
DC Films creative over-lord Geoff Johns is already co-writing the stand-alone feature with Ben Affleck, and they’ve already been rumored to have creative control. This weeks developments only seem to further that notion.
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Umberto Gonzalez

Umberto Gonzalez

Umberto Gonzalez has been covering the fanboy beat & breaking scoops for 14 years with numerous Hollywood trade, newspaper, & magazine mentions to his credit.

  • Edberg

    R.I.P. DC films!!

    • Flazhphone

      I loved BvS and cant wait for Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad.

      • Edberg

        I love BVS too, but can we trust in Geoff johns? I don’t know anymore..

        • xxjinzaxx

          Have you read his stuff beyond New 52? I recommend Rebirth #1. Even the New 52 has redeeming qualities that bridge pre-flashpoint with the new comic book’s direction.

          • Edberg

            Do you remember Green lantern movie? I’ve been worried about Geoff johns to control DC movie universe!!

          • xxjinzaxx

            He wasn’t in charge of the movie. . .

          • Edberg

            Ok, I’m just worried. Let’s wait until 2017 to Justice league!

          • SAMURAI36

            So you’re the worrying type, is that it?

          • Edberg

            Because i don’t wanna another Green Lantern or some kind of marvel universe with stupid jokes.

          • Marquis de Sade

            Agree with you on GL, but “HISSSS” in response to your Marvel criticism.

          • Edberg

            I like snyder movies and his style! But justice league will come next year and i’m afraid of the movie to become the same thing from marvel movies.

          • Chris Johnson

            Marvel does Marvel very well. They shouldn’t be copied as it would ring false. All they really need to do is simple: be true to the characters and allow them to set the tone instead of the opposite.

          • SAMURAI36

            Agreed. Let Marvel do Marvel.

          • SAMURAI36

            I agree about not wanting DC to turn into Marvel, which is indeed what GL felt like. However, that was the fault of WB studios at the time, which is not the same people as WB studios now.

          • Edberg

            I hope to be wrong about DC films will become like marvel studios.

          • SAMURAI36

            Did you know he wasn’t all that much involved in the GL movie?

          • Edberg

            I did. I don’t want another GL, because of that i’m so worried.

          • SAMURAI36

            Rebirth was an absolute masterpiece. In Johns we trust.

    • flavortang

      Ugh.

  • xxjinzaxx

    Rebirth just made it more interesting. The implication that Watchmen steered DC Comics down the wrong path both figuratively and literally is an interesting angle for the soft reboot. It’s almost as if a reboot never occurred and was always part of the plan. Interesting idea.

    • SAMURAI36

      Not only that, but WM’s popularity in both comic and movie form is about to increase, because of Rebirth.

      • xxjinzaxx

        I can see that happening. Alan Moore & Co. are probably mad bros right now. Reading WM if one hasn’t would be a great jump off the cliff point to anyone who is going into Rebirth. Even the BvS movie and the WM movie are sort of tie-ins. Jeffrey Dean Morgan. That is all.

        • SAMURAI36

          Not only that, but the WM easter eggs that were in BVS as well. And wasn’t Carla Gugino in both MOS and BVS too?

          • xxjinzaxx

            yes, she’s the kryptonian systems voice. After reading Rebirth, I thought for a moment that Geoff Johns had planned this all along.

          • SAMURAI36

            There’s even rumors floating around, that Rorschach is the New 52’s Question. If that’s the case, then this was definitely pre-planned.

          • xxjinzaxx

            Damn, I never thought of that. Nite Owl, Owlman? I wanted to pick up on where the Question went after he showed Superman the newspaper clipping, during the Trinity War arc.

          • SAMURAI36

            What did you guys think of DC’s Map of the Multiverse? I thought that was a phenomenal concept.
            In it, they mapped all aspects of the DCU, as well as tied Vertigo & Milestone into the mix. That said, it only makes sense that the WM would be integrated in as well.
            With that said, I’m beginning to realize that Johns’ Rebirth is what Morrison’s Final Crisis was supposed to be. They both have a lot of the same elements (Flash, Darkseid, Dr. Manhattan Superman, the Multiverse etc.), but Rebirth succeeds in the aspects that FC fails in..

          • xxjinzaxx

            Send me the link for it. I just have the Previews magazine listing everything coming out in June

          • SAMURAI36
          • xxjinzaxx

            Thanks, buddy!

    • flavortang

      Great point, man. I think Watchmen, MoS and BvS were Snyder’s trifecta of meta-superhero movies that were reflective of modern culture. Mass audiences didn’t really warm to any of those movies(although I enjoyed Watchmen for what it was and really enjoyed MoS and BvS) so I think WB will veer away from that sensibility going forward.

      If you look at Marvel’s movies, Star Wars, Deadpool, Fast/Furious, one thing is clear: audiences want escapism. They don’t want to be reminded of the dark, cynical, uncertain world we actually live in. We want characters to give us hope that we’ll navigate our way through this time and come out the other side largely unscathed and in a better place.

      WB is so [email protected] well positioned to deliver movies that execute on this very optimistic form of escapism that the ball is in their court and whether they sink baskets or pop the ball is all in how they decide to play the game. They need to see how audiences are reacting, realize what they want and just give it to them.

      As sad as it is for someone like me–who loved MoS and BvS–to say, WB has to change the direction of DC films to make people feel good.

      And actually, from a narrative standpoint, BvS–and more importantly, Justice League–Superman’s resurrection could also be a symbolic resurrection of the DC characters mass audiences want to see portrayed the way they want to see them. Clearly there is a passion and desire to see them, judging purely from BvS’s opening weekend. WB just has to deliver.

      • xxjinzaxx

        I think Rebirth is an acknowledgement that taking things too far towards the Alan Moor and Frank Miller edge was a disservice to DC proper. Not entirely, though, since there were people like you and I that appreciated the intent of the new direction. But the majority pays the bills and helps to keep the lights on – WB will have to adjust to keep their turnstiles for a crowd friendly product.

        • flavortang

          Yeah, I’m more than willing to bend and have WB go lighter with DC movies if it means audiences’ whims are sated and we get more high profile DC films.

          • SAMURAI36

            Man, I’m really struggling with that. What will “lighter” mean? What will it look like? Cuz I’m really not interested in DC’s rendition of Marvel.

          • flavortang

            For me, the films just have to reflect the characters. Booster Gold/Blue Beetle, for instance, should be heavy on action but also play up the buddy cop/comedy duo angle with Ted Kord being a cross between Bruce Wayne and Dr. Emmett Brown from Back to the Future, and Booster should be bold, brash and overconfident to a fault; think Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China.

            You wouldn’t want a dour, dark Blue and Gold movie because so much of their relationship is about the misadventures of these courageous but imperfect heroes.

            Flash, too, should have some lightheartedness to it, but also include the psuedo-mysticism of the Speed Force with Inception/Interstellar levels of science fiction.

            Lobo should be Fast and Furious meets Star Wars and, say, Metal Men should have heart, but also play at the Pinocchio angle of these sentient humanoid globs of metal.

            Then again, something like Justice League Dark could afford to delve into some ominous territory. It just depends on the source material.

          • SAMURAI36

            I agree with everything you’ve stated here. The beauty about the DCEU, is that there’s a diverse array of material, to the point where different tones can be played with.

            However, I still don’t think that even the lighter tones should be downright Marvel-style campy. Take TV Flash, for example: it’s definitely a lighter tone, but I don’t feel like it’s campy at all.

            Justice League Dark should definitely remain true to its namesake. Granted, Constantine is snarky in the source material, but that’s about it.

            Another franchise that I think should remain more on the darker side, is the GL franchise. Granted, you’d never know it from the last movie, but GL is pretty serious. I’m sure they’ll find ways to inject humor here and there, but it certainly shouldn’t be the jokefest that Ryan Reynolds’ version was.

          • flavortang

            Hal Jordan is my favorite comic book character of all time. GL Corps is something I’m the most excited about within the DCEU. I’m producing a series of fake movie posters based on DCEU properties and GLC is a part of that.

            For me, I think WB should approach the Lanterns like a cross between the Mega City Judges in Judge Dredd, the Colonial Marines in Aliens and the Men in Black from the movie series; they’re these disparate individuals chosen to wield the most powerful weapons in the universe… but they’re just normal folks.

            They’re essentially on the front lines defending the universe from its worst scum, space cops that are just walking their beats. Some are deadpan gung-ho about it(John Stewart) but others see it as a job they didn’t ask for(think Hudson in Aliens or Will Smith in MIB for the proper sass). They answer to these little blue guys, but it’s just a job for some of them.

            They’re also a family, though, as well as an army, so there should be a deep examination of what it means for these individuals to be alone in the darkness of space fighting evil wherever they find it. So much story and character to mine, but the Lanterns can be made extremely relatable. Rewatch Robocop and the scene where Murphy is getting intro’d to everyone in the locker room and how loose everyone is–the camaraderie. That’s how the Corps should be. Not all uptight and rigid.

        • SAMURAI36

          Count me among those that appreciated it as well. Granted, there were some things that I missed from the pre-52 DCU (the legacy aspect especially), but I personally saw a lot of unrealized potential in the New 52. towards the end of its run, it just felt like they (DC themselves) weren’t taking it as serious as they expected fans to.

      • SAMURAI36

        While most of me agrees with what you stated (so eloquently, BTW), I’d be remiss of I didn’t point out 3 things:

        1) The tone of the DCEU doesn’t skew dark by default. It may appear that way, based on the first 2 films we received, but SS isn’t all dark. I doubt WW will be either. And the people involved with films like Shazam & Flash have said those would be “big fun”, I believe they were quoted as saying. So it just appears that the tone of each DCEU film will be appropriate to the title character, which is as it should be.

        2) It was already stated at the end of BVS that things would change. “We will be better”. It’s like that went right over the DC haters’ heads. I don’t think they (DC) could’ve made it any more plain.

        Which leads me to the 3rd point:

        3) Chris Terrio in a recent interview explicitly stated that the JL movie, which is being treated as the 3rd act in a trilogy of sorts, will be markedly lighter in tone. And this was said prior to BVS even being released, which shows (& this part is VERY important) that this was a natural flow of the story, & not some “fallout course correction” nonsense that the internet keeps trying to paint this as.

        I personally am glad that DC has not apologized for BVS. Mot only because there is nothing whatsoever for them to apologize for, but also because they seem to be standing by their product, as well as their vision going forward.

        • Agreed agreed agreed — People flipped out on the 2nd DCeU movie and I’ve just been saying “Have you heard of diverse universe development?”

          I like the MCU movies but one thing that I’m sick of is that they’re all essentially the same. With what was stated about the DCeU was that things would change and become brighter as the heroes come together – both in the universe (meaning environment) and via character development (Batman learning to work with meta beings, Flash and Cyborg becoming awesome buds, WW’s take on humanity, how she lost it after the events of her stand alone movie and how she’s going to adjust after returning to protect humanity)

          I think people just had a shock at seeing something totally different from Marvel that was also tied into the weirdness (though still greatly enjoyable in my opinion) of having a massive chunk of BvS taken out for the theatrical version.

          • SAMURAI36

            I think people just had a shock at seeing something totally different from Marvel that was also tied into the weirdness (though still greatly enjoyable in my opinion) of having a massive chunk of BvS taken out for the theatrical version.

            Precisely this.

            It was a shock, seeing something so radically different from what is “the norm” right now.

            It just really bugs me, though, the way that Marvel/Disney has such a stranglehold on the entertainment world right now. Nothing else gets a chance to shine.

        • Gabriel Porto

          The movie was finished since one year ago, they did a lot of screening tests and the rumours are very,very old that the movie wasn’t good.

          • SAMURAI36

            I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • Scott Whalen

    I’m an old guy, can someone please tell me what “G” status is?

    • xxjinzaxx

      gansta, blood.

      • Scott Whalen

        Ok, next question. Is it a compliment?

        • SAMURAI36

          Absolutely.

        • SAMURAI36

          Calling someone a “G”, is like calling them a “Boss”, or the big man on campus.

          • Scott Whalen

            Ok, thanks for the clarification.

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  • SAMURAI36

    Can anybody break down what the “scoops” were for this episode?

    • flavortang

      It doesn’t seem like there were any. Just reiterating the news from this past 1-2 weeks.