‘Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ Changing Ghost Rider’s Origin

Robbie Reyes is heading to SHIELD

Agents of SHIELD has changed a lot since its pilot, and things are about to shift massively in Season 4. With a new director, new villains and Ghost Rider featuring expect to see quite a few shocks this year. It sounds like one shock will be Ghost Rider’s origin story. When pushed about his introduction, Executive Producer Jed Whedon said that Robbie Reyes won’t have the backstory of his comic counterpart.

Reyes’ comic book origin has ties to the pill Calvin Zabo uses to become Hyde. Hyde is a character who featured in Agents of SHIELD Season 2, but will he return to play a part in the Ghost Rider story? TV Line asked Whedon if Reyes’ entrance meant a return for Kyle MacLachan as Cal, but it sounds like they’re making Ghost Rider’s history a mystery.

“We can’t say much about what we’re going to do with [Robbie Reyes’] origin, but we are doing our own spin on it,” Whedon said. “We don’t want people who have read the comics to know exactly what’s coming.”

Whedon did say that he would love to see MacLachan back on the show, as would most of the viewers. After how his character ended Season 2 he’d probably have to come back in a very different form. He’s also not really in a position to make any more of his Hyde pills. Although the writers could always find a way around that.

We already know from Chloe Bennet that her character, Daisy Johnson, runs in to Ghost Rider this season. Given that Cal is her father, the fourth season could well pull those three well loved characters in to their own sub-plot. However, Johnson’s transformation in to Quake shows that SHIELD isn’t afraid of taking a huge turn away from the source material.

Source: TV Line

Aaron Rogan

Aaron Rogan

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  • Napi

    This Ghost Rider will suck more than Nicolas Cage

    • Carl

      Any reason why?

      • SAMURAI36

        LOL, Marvel apologist, coming to save the day. This watered down GR will NOT save this failing show.

        • Carl

          Or it may be another great addition to a very good show. There is nothing to apologize for when it comes to Marvel nowadays. DC on the other hand you need to apologize for with every new movie. Also, LOL at you, Marvel Hater with no reason to justify your hate.

          But please enlighten us as to why it’s a watered down GR? Keep in mind that it’s the Robbie Reyes GR. 😉

          • SAMURAI36

            Or it may be another great addition to a very good show. There is nothing to apologize for when it comes to Marvel nowadays. DC on the other hand you need to apologize for with every new movie. Also, LOL at you, Marvel Hater with no reason to justify your hate.

            LMAO, a “very good show”. As long as Marvel’s shoveling it, you’re gonna eat it, is that it? Never mind the fact that the show’s ratings have TANKED to below cancellation lines. And they moved the show to the death knell time slot.

            But please enlighten us as to why it’s a watered down GR? Keep in mind that it’s the Robbie Reyes GR. 😉

            I know who it is. People want Johnny Blaze. And they want him in the movies, not on AoShit.

            They are only sticking this GR on the show, because the show needs a ratings boost.

            But hey, good luck enjoying this turd, the way you enjoy all Marvel turds.

          • Carl

            Wow so much hate and hypocrisy here.

            The guy who says I can’t comment about SS after seeing 75% of it is commenting about a show that he’s seen maybe 1% of. lol

            Oh and Mr. reviews don’t matter is now gonna say that the amount of people watching something is a better judge of a show or movie’s quality. I guess you love Fuller House and Transformers: Age of Extinction. lol

            How does using Robbie Reyes in the show affect using Johnny Blaze or Danny Ketch elsewhere? Don’t answer, it doesn’t. lol

            The only crap I’m being shoveled that I continue to endure is Arrow. The 1st and 2nd season were very good but it’s been a spiral of death to the crap that it is now. I still watch though because I love the CW DC shows and can’t wait for Supergirl to join them.

            You know what hasn’t gotten worse? Agents of Shield. It started off weak but has gotten better and better. You wouldn’t know though, you write off everything Marvel because you aren’t a true comic book fan. True comic book fans don’t care what label the book is from, they care about the content of the individual book. Same applies to the movies and TV shows.

            Enjoy your hate, I laugh at it and pity you for it. lol

          • SAMURAI36

            The guy who says I can’t comment about SS after seeing 75% of it is commenting about a show that he’s seen maybe 1% of. lol

            Oh and Mr. reviews don’t matter is now gonna say that the amount of people watching something is a better judge of a show or movie’s quality. I guess you love Fuller House and Transformers: Age of Extinction. lol

            So, this is you acknowledging your own hypocrisy then?

            I’ve never watched Fuller House, and TF’s is just okay to me, nothing to write home about.

            But I definitely don’t like Marvel, based on that same logic. So what’s REALLY your point?

            How does using Robbie Reyes in the show affect using Johnny Blaze or Danny Ketch elsewhere? Don’t answer, it doesn’t. lol

            Actually, I will answer. Reyes GR by himself isn’t that big of a deal. However, in the bigger picture, of all the cancelled shows from Marvel as of late, them sticking what is a half-attempt at a real super powered character (and a D-lister at that), and after 4 FAILED SEASONS, reeks of disingenuous intent, and desperation.

            The show had a failed premise from the onset, which is why the actor that plays Coulson rants about it and calls people names everytime it gets pointed out.

            The only crap I’m being shoveled that I continue to endure is Arrow. The 1st and 2nd season were very good but it’s been a spiral of death to the crap that it is now. I still watch though because I love the CW DC shows and can’t wait for Supergirl to join them.

            You keep trying to toss your back-handed critiques of DC at me, despite me telling you I’m not interested. Good luck with that.

            Let me know when you have a serious critique of something Marvel related.

            You know what hasn’t gotten worse? Agents of Shield. It started off weak but has gotten better and better. You wouldn’t know though, you write off everything Marvel because you aren’t a true comic book fan. True comic book fans don’t care what label the book is from, they care about the content of the individual book. Same applies to the movies and TV shows.

            Aww, look at that, trying to call me on a label that I never claimed for myself.

            I never once called myself a “true comic book fan”. I’ve made it more than clear, that I am strictly a DC fan. No more, no less.

            Wow one month to prove what? That DC comics do well. I’ve never said they don’t.

            Actually, that’s not the point. The point is, that A) DC has been slowly reclaiming the comics industry from Marvel, and B) the fans are KILLING Marvel right now.

            And it’s not just “one month”, either. I can provide no less than a dozen links, where the general consensus has been that Marvel has been stale on the print side for YEARS.

            http://www.bleedingcool.com/?s=june+sales

            That’s almost a dozen articles, discussing Marvel meteoric demise, and DC’s steady ascension. But again, read the comment section of each of these articles (and no, I’m not commenting in any of them).

            But we both know you won’t read it, just like you didn’t read the first link either.

            Although these are a lot of #1s for rebirth which often do better than average and DC fans have been waiting awhile for the unfavorable New 52 to finally end. Also go look at #40 to #100 it’s nearly all Marvel comics, so yeah they are doing just fine.

            LMAO, this wasn’t a rebuttal for anything. For someone that claims to be a “true comic book fan”, you don’t seem to have a clue (as per usual) as to how comic book sales actually works.

            And what you fail to realize, is that Marvel’s numbers are DROPPING, while DC’s are rising.

            That’s why the whole “both companies doing well is good for business” narrative is a bunch of nonsense, because it’s NEVER been like that.

            More over, it’s interesting that the top MCU-related characters have not done well in printed form since the start of the MCU. You’d think that the popularity of the films would translate to increased comics sales. But it hasn’t. In fact, sales have dropped.

            For example, compare Captain America’s and Thor’s sales for last month:

            http://www.comichron.com/

            40 Captain America Steve Rogers 3 $3.99 Marvel 65,455
            50 Invincible Iron Man 11 $3.99 Marvel 49,439
            52 Mighty Thor 9 $3.99 Marvel 48,712

            To the month prior:

            http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-06.html

            36 Captain America Steve Rogers 2 $3.99 Marvel 66,416
            46 Mighty Thor 8 $3.99 Marvel 51,300
            47 Invincible Iron Man 10 $3.99 Marvel 49,141

            Look at the drastic drops in both chart positioning, as well as sales figures. And that’s the sales pattern for the past few years.

            Shouldn’t these characters be the top 10? Or at least the top 20?

            Now don’t forget that DC had to drop their price to $2.99 an issue because the new 52 wasn’t popular. So they are making less per issue.

            Wow, this is so false, it’s not even funny. DC has been at 2.99 for nearly a decade now. AKA, long before the New 52.

            Here’s the prove, since you’re going to call me a liar:

            http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2007/2007-01.html

            But here are more facts: Marvel has only stayed at the top of the sales charts, because of their under-handed gimmicks. Constant “all-new #1 relaunches” (LOL at how you tried to throw a dig at that for DC), along with inconsistent double (sometimes triple) shipping monthly schedules, variant cover “incentives”, and most importantly, HUGE price gouges, with some of their bigs costing upwards of $7 a copy.

            They’ve been engaged in these practices for a couple of decades now. Which, as I’m sure you know, caused the comics implosion of the 90’s, which (among other things) led to Marvel’s bankruptcy, and them having to sell off the rights to most of their characters.

            But as you can see from the comments, fans are slowly getting fed up with Marvel’s dishonest antics.

            But hey, you’re supposed to be the “true comic book fan”, right? So how come I know more about the comic book industry than you do?

          • Carl

            Wow epic rant there. It’s all nonsense though.

            I’ll just comment on 2 things.

            1. No hypocrisy from me, just you. I don’t tell people they can’t comment on things without watching all of that thing, just pointing out that you do and still comment about things you don’t watch.

            2. What are all the cancelled shows at Marvel lately? Agent Carter is one. Anything else?

            Love all that misguided hate you got there. Let it fill you up and bleed out into your personal life. It’s very healthy. lol

          • SAMURAI36

            LMAO, Carla couldn’t think of a single spin to refute these FACTS. I’m not answering $h!t from you, since you can’t answer these points I brought up.
            But don’t worry, I’ll be revisiting this next month, when Aug’s sales numbers come out, & the gap between DC & Marvel widens even more.

          • Carl

            Nothing to refute here, Magical Girl Pretty Sammy. 😉

            I agree that DC comics are doing well now. Marvel comics are doing fine too, they aren’t in any trouble.

            Keep on hating.

          • SAMURAI36

            See ya in a few weeks, Carlene.

          • Carl

            I’m guessing you’ll stalk the comment boards of HH to harass me with crap that I don’t care about. You truly are obsessed with me.

      • SAMURAI36

        Just gonna leave this right here.

        http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/14/marvel-have-only-got-two-books-in-julys-top-20/

        In addition to the numbers, feel free to browse the comment section.

        • Carl

          Wow one month to prove what? That DC comics do well. I’ve never said they don’t. Although these are a lot of #1s for rebirth which often do better than average and DC fans have been waiting awhile for the unfavorable New 52 to finally end. Also go look at #40 to #100 it’s nearly all Marvel comics, so yeah they are doing just fine. Now don’t forget that DC had to drop their price to $2.99 an issue because the new 52 wasn’t popular. So they are making less per issue.

          But yeah this has a lot to do with Ghost Rider on Agents of Shield. Nice try going of your way to hate on Marvel. How do you live you life with so much hate inside?

          • SAMURAI36

            S’matter Carlos? No response to the info I gave you?

          • Carl

            What’s that matter Sammy, you can’t comment in the right place? Marvel comics are doing fine. Marvel is more popular than ever because of the wildly successful MCU. DC is living off Batman mostly, with 9 of those top 20 comics having Batman in them or being Batman spinoffs. That’s fine too if you love Batman but I don’t.

          • SAMURAI36

            LMAO, are you REALLY complaining about DC using Batman, when Marvel SWAMPS the racks with Deadpool, Spidey, & Wolverine books?

            That’s the best comeback you got? That’s okay, cuz I’m gonna give you some time to rethink it. You have until, ohh….. About 4 weeks, when the next sales chart comes out to get your spin together.

            See ya then.

          • Carl

            That’s 3 completely separate Marvel characters you mentioned there to the one DC character I mentioned. Yes I’m using Batman as a negative. He’s a fine character but I don’t want to read any of his comics or the comics of his former sidekicks.

            Please don’t bother to get back to me about comic book sales. I don’t care at all. Both companies are doing fine. Remember that this is the comment section for Ghost Rider in Agents of Shield.

          • SAMURAI36

            Ahh, so what YOU want to read, has an effect on the sales charts. I get it now.
            But don’t worry, I will definitely be back in a few weeks, to watch you squirm & make up more nonsense to justify how Marvel is slowly on the decline, on the publications front.
            TV: DC > Marvel
            Animation: DC > Marvel
            Video Games: DC > Marvel
            Collectibles: DC > Marvel
            Comics: DC > Marvel
            Movies are the final frontier, where Marvel > DC at the moment. But that is slowly changing.

          • Carl

            No man, I never said that what I want to read effects sales charts. I don’t care about sales charts for comics. I’m just not interested in DC’s main character.

            TV: Marvel = DC (Netflix shows > Flash > Shield > rest of CW)
            Animation: DC > Marvel (by default though, Marvel isn’t making animated features anymore)
            Video Games: DC > Marvel (slight edge based on the 2 great Arkham games)
            Collectibles: WTF? Marvel = DC (they both have great stuff)
            Comics: Marvel = DC (both have great stuff)
            Movies: Marvel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DC (13 good to great movies vs 3 mediocre, bad, and garbage movies)

            Carl>>>>>>Samurai36 (Carl is not a hater or a hypocrite, Sammy’s arguments always devolve into base insults quickly)

          • SAMURAI36

            Oh wow, okay…. So let’s play your game.

            No man, I never said that what I want to read effects sales charts. I don’t care about sales charts for comics. I’m just not interested in DC’s main character.

            No, you just wanna stick your fingers in your ears, and/or turn a blind eye to the facts when they are presented to you. The reality is, DC is slowly regaining hold of the comics market over Marvel, in both sales AND quality.

            I gave you SEVERAL MONTHS worth of articles to demonstrate that. Not only are Marvel’s sales slipping, but people are complaining with great vitriol about how Marvel has fallen off, & that they’ve dropped Marvel books from their monthly reading list.

            You can try to act dumb (something you do quite well) all you want, but those are the facts. And yes, I’m gonna slow walk you down with those facts, & it’s only gonna get worse for Marvel in the coming months.

            TV: Marvel = DC (Netflix shows > Flash > Shield > rest of CW)

            This logic is gonna blow up in your face in a moment. But that’s not what the numbers say. According to the numbers & awards, Supergirl, Flash, Gotham, & Preacher >>>>> anything Marvel has.

            Or do I need to present the TV ratings, like I did for the sales charts? Interesting, how AoShit s somehow netter than everything on CW, yet it’s on the verge of getting CANCELLED. How does that work, exactly?

            Animation: DC > Marvel (by default though, Marvel isn’t making animated features anymore)

            See, this is precisely what I’m talking about.; you can’t just give DC a clean, uncontested victory. It has to be with some sort of caveat, as if it would have made a difference oven if Marvel were still in the animation business.

            Even when Marvel was making animated films, their best film (which was what, exactly?) was still bad, in comparison to DC’s worse film. Remember that Black Widow vs Punisher garbage? It was so bad, Marvel dumped it on YouTube for FREE. And you should read the comments for that film.

            Besides, I’m not just talking about animated movies though, so I don’t know why you tried to limit the argument. Nothing animated Marvel has on TV, neither past nor present, matches anything DC has ever done. There’s simply no contest. Remember that Hulk Smash nonsense? Nah, of course you don’t. Teen Titans Go (which, you know, is the #1 kids show, not just on CN, but ANYWHERE) is arguably the WORST thing DC has ever put out, & it’s STILL better than anything Marvel has. Where do you think any of Marvel’s animation ranks on that list?

            Video Games: DC > Marvel (slight edge based on the 2 great Arkham games)

            See, this is the nonsense I’m talking about…. “Slight edge”, AGAINST WHAT? Marvel doesn’t have any games!!! LMAO.

            And BTW, Arkham has FOUR games, all of which are great, to varying degrees. But how would you know, when you claim to not like DC’s “main character”?

            Besides, that’s not all DC has. DCUO, Lego, & most importantly, Injustice. You know the game that made game of the year in 2014?
            You are aware of how DC brought the house down with I2 at SDCC, yes? What video game content did Marvel announce this summer? Oh yeah, some Spidey game, that they kinda hinted at, that they’re not sure when it’ll be released….. You know, the one with that ugly &$$ Spidey costume, that NOBODY is talking about.

            But once again, your cognitive dissonance just can’t accept that DC is doing WAY better than Marvel in many areas.

            Collectibles: WTF? Marvel = DC (they both have great stuff)

            LMAO, do I really have to point out the quality control issues Marvel is having with their stuff? Do you want me to bombard you with more links, of people complaining about poor shipment ratios, bad articulation, cancelled licensing agreements, & other issues coming out of Marvel & Hasbro (Marvel’s main toy partner), so you can just ignore those facts too?

            Comics: Marvel = DC (both have great stuff)

            Keep lying to yourself, Carl. But that’s okay, cuz we’ll be talking about this again in a few weeks, & we’ll see if your tune changes, or of you just remain in a state of denial.
            Or you’ll just make up more lies, about how DC lowered their prices because of the New 52 (which was FALSE, btw), or some of that other nonsense you said as a knee jerk reaction to your cognitive dissonance, before you just gave up, & started talking about how much you hate Batman, as if that had anything to do with anything. LOL

            Movies: Marvel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DC (13 good to great movies vs 3 mediocre, bad, and garbage movies)

            LOL, you see what you did here? Why is it that you have to do this whole “>>>>>” thing for Marvel’s movies, but you can’t do the same thing for ANYTHING that DC does? In your other critiques, DC is either = to Marvel, or they only have “slight edge”. Even though we both know that’s not true.

            Why can’t just be honest, & admit to yourself, that you just don’t like DC? Because that’s really what this boils down to. Because when the best you can do is offer these begrudgingly backhanded comments about them, it’s obvious to everybody that you’re nothing but a DC hater.

            Trying to APPEAR unbiased, is not the same as actually being unbiased. It just makes you look like a hypocrite. Despite what the internet tells you, there’s no shame in admitting that you don’t like something. In fact, it’s quite liberating, actually.

            Not to mention, it’s fascinating, how you use the 13>3 argument for movies, but not for TV, since DC has NINE TV shows (soon to be 11), while Marvel only has 3 (soon to be 6). But somehow, you can’t admit, let alone acknowledge this, because, cognitive dissonance.

            As far as movies go, I keep having to point out (which you & everybody else likes to ignore), that for all these garbage movies that DC is making, each one is outgrossing 80-90% of all these “good to great” Marvel films. How is that possible, Carlene, with all your “>>>>>>’s”??

            Oh, & just to rub it in more, the tallies for the “#7favefilms” list from Twitter came out…. NONE of these “good to great” Marvel films was on ANYONE’s list. But guess which film was on the top of EVERYONE’s list?
            http://www.themarysue.com/twitter-7-fav-films/
            I’d keep holding those fingers in your ears if I were you. Wouldn’t want your brains to ooze out, after the meltdown you’re having.

            See ya in a few weeks, Carletta!! ?

          • Carl

            Sorry I’m not reading your 2nd rant. Good day, sir.

  • Kevin Murphy

    Ghost “Driver” is his name if he has a car. Unless he is sitting passenger, it’s just dumb to call him Ghost Rider.

    • H.I McDunnough

      Uber Ghost?

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