‘Arrow’: Willa Holland Calls Out Warner Bros. For Messing With Their ‘Suicide Squad’ Plans

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The second season of Arrow introduced its very own version of the Suicide Squad, which consisted of characters such as Deadshot, Bronze Tiger, Cupid and many others. However, most of them were later killed off, even though it seemed like the Executive Producers of the series were planning to utilize the team in subsequent seasons.

It’s clear that their plans were scrapped due to David Ayer’s Suicide Squad, which will be released this summer. We’ve known for a while now that Warner Bros. is already planning a sequel for the upcoming movie, plus a spin-off movie which is said to revolve around Harley Quinn, Batgirl and the Birds of Prey, so it’s safe to say that we probably won’t get to see the team on the small screen in the near future.

During a recent panel at MCM London Comic Con, Willa Holland, who plays Thea Queen/Speedy on Arrow, was asked by a fan about her thoughts on the decision to kill off the characters on the show. Here’s her response:

“We were about season two when they started telling us we had to start basically killing off the Suicide Squad that we were starting to build on our own. We were actually trying to build that on our own on the show, and I guess once DC found out they were going to be doing their own movie of it, we had to ax all of the characters before we even got to show them, which was a little annoying at first.

Then when Stephen found out there was going to be a Justice League [movie] it only seemed — rightly so — he would be playing Green Arrow on it as well as that Grant [Gustin] would be playing the Flash. It seemed like the right normal answer, and — once they said no — you can’t really fight against them for it, because they are the people that gave us a job in the first place. So you just have to sit there on your hands, like okay, I get it!

Marvel does it in their own weird right, kind of mash between ‘Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ and the movies and stuff. So it’s a little upsetting because you know it is possible and it can be done and how good it would be if it was done.”

As someone who stopped watching Arrow a couple of seasons ago, I have to admit that I personally don’t mind that there won’t be more of the team on the show, but I’m sure that there are many fans out there who are against that decision. I doubt that the studio would do something like that if they didn’t have big plans for the characters, so despite the fact that they won’t be on Arrow, we’ll still get plenty of movies with them as long as they continue making money. What do you guys think?

Source: The Mirror (via CBR)

 

Michael Bezanidis

Michael Bezanidis

Michael is the Managing Editor of Heroic Hollywood. When he's not playing video games, he's usually writing about film and television.

  • Maximillian Pegasus

    HAHAHA, thank god the DC(E)CU isn’t connected with the CWverse.

    • flavortang

      I like them both, but I like them both BECAUSE they’re separate. The movies are free to tell their own stories and the TV shows are free to do the same.

      • SAMURAI36

        Precisely.

      • Axxell

        This article shows otherwise.

        • flavortang

          Personally, I would have been fine with a TV version of SS and a film version. I don’t know why they squashed the TV version.

      • bluetide79

        if they are both seperate,warnerbros won’t told cw to kill off the suicide squad,or supergirl not to show superman.

        • flavortang

          I can’t speak for SS. I think they could’ve kept them on Arrow, but there’s no real reason to show Superman in Supergirl. The show should be about her. In fact, I get a bit miffed whenever he’s mentioned at all. The show shouldn’t try to piggyback on his iconic status by constantly referring to him.

    • Jake Bucsko

      Yeah, don’t need the shows to be tainted by the films

      • flavortang

        And vice versa.

    • GRKDC

      Totally agree! It would be cool if they connected them somehow with the multiverse via Flash

    • SAMURAI36

      WTH is the “DC(E)CU”??? It’s just DCEU.

      • Maximillian Pegasus

        Now is DCCU.

        • SAMURAI36

          Since when?

  • xxjinzaxx

    Wiila’s heart is in the right place. Of course you want your people to succeed, in spite of your employers’ decisions – we’ve all been there when they fire someone you thought was an asset instaed of firing the lazybutt. As a fan of the show, I would have liked more suicide squad episodes and would have preferred that Amell and Grant play their respective roles in the DCU films. It would be akin to Star Trek Next Generations movies l. However, those movies occurred at the end of the TV series which Arrow and The Flash are not. Speaking as a fan, one who has watched every single episode of the three shows on CW, it would be a little jarring, awkward even, to see their special effects powers not match the high production levels of the movies. I think it would ruin it for me. Also, I like the TV show because it gives a quick turn around on live action DC content, something feature films sorely lack.

    • SAMURAI36

      I agree, the DCEU does lack that, but that’s due to no fault of its own. It’s just the nature of TV vs movies. TV shows are being filmed constantly thru out the season, whereas movies are a done-in-one.

      That’s one of the main reasons why I love the fact that DCTV is dominating the airwaves right now, because I get my DC fix every single week, with what’s almost becoming 7 days a week.

      With the movies, I have to wait 6 months to get that DC fix.

      • xxjinzaxx

        Yup. And if I get a Grant Gustin’s The Flash on film, and then go back to TV version Grant Gustin, it’s going to be disappointing. I will still watch it because I enjoy the DC stories, but not many share my sentiment. Likely some would just stop watching the TV show and just wait for the movie to come out.

        With the venomous aspect of social media, you already have people either cursing the films or the TV shows, which are not necessarily the same group. So why combine them? It wouldn’t make sense.

        • SAMURAI36

          Yeah, it’s weird that DC fans are so splintered, in a way that Marvel fans don’t seem to be. DC fans can love DCTV, and hate the DCEU, or vice versa.

          I personally love just about everything DC does, and anything I don’t love, I don’t hate it, I’m just indifferent to it. But there’s not much that I don’t like.

          • xxjinzaxx

            Indifference is a lost art. A trait vital to live and let live.

  • flavortang

    It’s one thing for Marvel to have Agents of Shield tie into the movies. It’s another thing to have major DC characters like Flash and Arrow suddenly be thrust into the film canon. It just cannot work. The shows have their own canon set up over the last few years so either the movies have to now be creatively hamstrung to follow the storylines of the TV shows or the shows have to be hamstrung by what the movies are doing.

    Keeping them separate is the only rational alternative.

    • Jewie

      But the Flash has set up a way they can coexist without interacting with the inclusion of the Multiverse. Gustin and Amell don’t need to play the same version of the characters they play on TV.

      • QTN

        you know why they sanctioned that? Giving fans the illusion that all this stuff is “connected!”…when they’re not.
        The same way the Marvel shows are “set” in the same MCU movie-verse and reference the movies except the films don’t reference what happens on the shows.
        In short, gimmick.

        • SAMURAI36

          I mostly agree.

          The Multiverse doesn’t necessarily interact with other versions of itself. Therefore, there was never any promise on DC’s part that there would be any interaction. It was all just fan speculation.

          Unlike Marvel, who has never truly been able to deliver on their “connected” gimmick in any real way, beyond the superficial.

        • Axxell

          The films don’t need to reference the stuff that happens on the shows. That’s a false premise, because it’s clear the shows happen at a smaller scale than the movies do. I don’t need to have every minute event that happened in the MCU recapped in the movies as confirmation of their coexistence.

      • flavortang

        No, because the second you show Amell as Arrow or Gustin as Flash, audiences will be confused if you don’t show everyone else from those shows’ respective casts. Also, they’ll be confused if you don’t follow the shows’ respective storylines. It’s just unnecessary baggage to have to lug onto your production,

        It’s better to just cast someone else entirely and have the universes separate so that both the TV and the movie productions are free to explore whatever stories they want.

        • Jewie

          So, bringing in a different actor to play a role they’ve seen someone else play on TV for years is less confusing? Also, if they’re watching the shows (Flash specifically), then they are aware of the Multiverse and how different each version of the characters can be.

          • flavortang

            It is less confusing because then the audience can know “Okay, this isn’t the same guy.” so they’re not connecting the actor to the show anymore.

            You gotta understand that while a lot of people watch the shows it’s a drop in the bucket to the people who will see the movies. You never EVER hamstring a major $200+ million film production by tethering it to a TV production unless it’s a film adaption of that show. The production teams are completely different. They’re not connected at all, so filming a movie and saying “Well, we have to take into account every little thing this TV show that we have no relation to is doing.” is a recipe for disaster. You can’t expect everyone who sees the movie to have seen every episode of the show. It’s impractical and unnecessary.

            This is why keeping the universes separate is the best thing for everyone, ESPECIALLY for a movie universe whose stories are interconnected. Make a movie with its own cast, its own timeline, its own rules and mythos and you’re creatively free. I’m a fan of the TV shows and the movies but I recognize that each medium is unique and what works on one doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll work on the other.

            I get that a lot of people have no vision which is why I’ve heard comments from people saying that the guy who does the voice acting for Batman IN THE CARTOONS should be playing him in the DCEU. Yes, a 60+yo voice actor should be playing Batman in live-action. People have no vision. They just want to see what they’ve already seen which is why they can’t wrap their head around another guy playing Flash and the chronology of the show not being implanted in the movies. If you were to take five seconds and look at it you’d immediately see that it’s undoable.

            I mean, it doesn’t matter anyways. It’s a moot point. The movie/TV universes are separate. People need to move on.

    • SAMURAI36

      Agreed, especially since NONE of the major Marvel TV characters will be making any appearances in the movies.

  • Technofied

    Make olicity the Green Arrow on big screen so they can rub Olicity all over our faces? No thanks. Keep your stupid tv verse on tv! Flash is about the good thing that keeps you guys going! Arrow died for me after second season ever since they decided to ruin my beloved characters! I am glad they didn’t go that route. I mean amell was wasted! The guy was amazing during the first two seasons and you ruined him because of the olicity SH** I am surprised the show is still breathing! If it was up to me, I would have cancelled it or, fired the writers after the third installment!

  • Radar Technician Matt

    Suuuuuure.
    They were so upset, they had to make seasons 3 and 4 as awful as possible.

  • Thierry Saint-Jour

    CW crybabies like Holand make me sick.

    • QTN

      oh just wait until Batfleck throws BVS under the bus next year (and when THE BATMAN drops) like Jeremy Irons just did.

      • henryducard

        Lol the moment one good film comes out they’ll all throw it under the bus haha!

  • DoYouFeelInCharge?

    CW actor: I want to be in your big, blockbuster films that will give me more money and exposure.

    WB exec: Oh do ya now?

    • Peter James

      ….more like…..

      WB Exec : “Who are you again?”

  • Carl

    I’m not a fan of WB shutting down characters on their TV shows. It really hurts the product. I wonder how many characters are off limits now? Imagine if Flash tried to start a year later, it might have been shut down too.

    On the other side, WB is right to not even consider the TV actors for their movies. The talent pool at the big budget Hollywood level is obviously far superior.

  • QTN

    This is why I’ve never understood DC Films messing with what the TV shows do. There is no continuity issues, and really the audience at this point isn’t the knuckle-dragging idiots who can’t wipe themselves that DC films apparently thinks they are. “But Deadshot is white on TV, but black on film?!? I don’t understand!” *explodes*
    I just have the impression DC films screws with DC TV just for the sake of egotism.

    • Marquis de Sade

      Yeah, dceu must really resent the fact DC TV has a better handle and tone on their IP’s than they do. The more I think about it, Berlanti should be runnin’ dceu also.

      • SonOfKrpton

        Do they now?
        Remember how they killed the freaking Black Canary?!

  • Chris W

    I always assumed actors had a little more self awareness than your average sweaty fanboy. But from all this whining I’ve been seeing from CW actors, I guess I was completely wrong.

    • xxjinzaxx

      I think they fear Arrow is on it’s death throes. It’s probably from social media pressure on why the latest season wasn’t liked as much as the other seasons. So they want to save face in which they went along with the change of plans, even though they had original plans that would have panned out better for the show. In their opinion, of course. “if it weren’t for my boss’ interference, then my product design would have been better”

      • SAMURAI36

        That’s a good way to get it killed even faster. Still, it’s up for another season, so I’m not sure what more they could ask for.

        Don’t get me wrong, I like Arrow, and will continue to watch it, and I get that they are kinda protective of DCTV, since they were the ones that sparked the whole thing, but I would be more careful with what they say, if I were them.

        • xxjinzaxx

          Exactly. Biting the hand that feeds you isn’t always the best way to get what you want. But the Arrow crew needs to understand that they need to stick with The Green Arrow, not take on The Batman’s persona. They’ll be fine if they stick to The Green Arrow for season 5 because we have not seen an Oliver Queen that doesn’t mimic the inner darkness and conflict that Bruce Wayne has down pat.

          I do hope that Black Canary returns. Having Cassidy on The Flash and show off her Canary Cry was bittersweet to Arrow fans. From then on, I haven’t wished for a character to be resurrected as much as I do Laurel Lance. Well, maybe Captain Cold, but he’s still in to some degree.

          • SAMURAI36

            I dunno if I would go that far, though. Bruce and Ollie have always had very similar pathos. But even beyond that, I think this season gets a bad rap needlessly.

            We had villains that were not Bat villains (Darhk), situations that were unique to Olliver Queen (running for office), and internal conflict with the supporting cast (Diggle and his brother).

            However, it seems that Arrow is more popular when it does mimick the Bat mythos.

    • SAMURAI36

      I wouldn’t say that. Most actors treat their roles as just a job. There are some that are completely enthralled with the universe they play a part in, and some others aren’t.

      It’s a mistake to judge any actor on either premise.

      • Chris W

        Completely irrelevant to my point.

        Just because you are enthralled with the universe you work in doesn’t mean you can’t have the objectivity to acknowledge that something won’t translate to the big screen. Eg Tom welling as superman on big screen, AoS movie, any cw actor playing their respective roles in dceu, 100 mill Kevin sorbo Hercules movie, seaquest wide release film, etc.

        Objectivity does not infer any bias one way or the other. So as I said, I assumed actors had a little more self awareness than dogmatic fan boys, apparently not all do.

        • SAMURAI36

          You’re the one making the assumptions about people you don’t know, and likely never will.

          These people get paid to deliver their renditions, not fulfill any assumptions you have about them.

          Besides, most fans are happy that the actors of their fave franchise are this invested in the roles they play.

  • SAMURAI36

    Okay, so I love DCTV, and I love the DCEU. I felt a way when DC announced that they would remain separate, but over time I grew to accept it, as well as their reasoning behind the decision.

    It’s now that I realize that keeping the mediums separate makes all the sense from a logistical perspective. And we now see that fact born out, via Marvel’s tedious grasp on their “connected universe” concept.

    That said. I could only imagine the cast of the DCTV shows’ frustration when they realized they would be locked out of the DCEU equation. A merge between mediums seemed like the most sense, especially since that was what Marvel was selling at the time.

    However, I think DCTV should be reserved for the 2nd string characters at this point, given the lesser-knowns a chance to shine with audiences, while the DCEU is the marquis names, of the biggest and best of DC.

    Meanwhile, while I can understand Holland’s sentiments, I also think that there are things going on behind the scenes with DC, that may have been a little beyond her pay grade. For instance, SS was in development well before (re: a couple of years, at the very least) they decided to introduce them on Arrow. So, while they did indeed beat them to the screen before the DCEU, the idea itself wasn’t original to DCTV.

  • Chris Aytes

    The TV folks shouldn’t feel bad for not being in the films. They’re making the better product over on the CW, and I’m not even a big fan of those shows.

    The world established by MoS and BvS isn’t worthy of Gustin and Amell. They’ve dodged a bullet by not being involved so far. The nature of how DC rolls with the multiverse doesn’t mean it could never happen, but it probably won’t.

    DC should just scrap movies and go all-in on TV. I’d much rather be watching weekly Batman and Superman series than these films. Then do annual Justice League miniseries events.

    Has there ever been a better DC villain portrayal than Arrow’s Slade Wilson?

    • SAMURAI36

      Has there ever been a better DC villain portrayal than Arrow’s Slade Wilson?

      Uhmmm, yes.

      –General Zod

      –Heath Ledger Joker

      • Chris Aytes

        I like Heath’s performance, and how the part is written, but it takes a LOT of liberties. I don’t see the Joker from the pages of the comics when I watch The Dark Knight.

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