‘Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice’: The Ultimate Edition Review

 

batman v superman ultimate headerLet’s just start and say that the theatrical version of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was a problematic film and quite divisive when it came to theaters. The film ended up grossing a buttload of money, but critically it was considered a failure. I’m not quite sure how a film that grossed more than $800 million could be seen as a failure, but it definitely made fans choose sides. While the action was great, and Batman was awesome, many of the problems of the film seemed to be story related. There were times were some things just didn’t make sense tonally. As a result, director Zack Snyder was raked through the coals in both the press and the fanboy community for the film. The director was on record saying that he did have an R-Rated 3 hour cut of the film, but for the sake of time had to be trimmed down to the film we saw in theaters this past spring. When it was announced that there would be a Director’s Cut of the film being released digitally and on Blu-Ray, some fans had a little bit of skepticism, myself included. I’m more than happy to say that after watching a screening of the Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Ultimate Edition, I’m a convert.

Turns out the big issue with the theatrical cut is editing. This happens in every film, but it wasn’t any more prevalent that editing hindered the story of the film until watching the final cut. This version, while longer than the theatrical, just flows a lot better. There are great character building moments for many of the main characters that absolutely should have remained in the film. Fans who purchase the digital or Blu-Ray might be pulling their hair out wondering why specific scenes were removed from the film after seeing this. Lex Luthor is a better character and his diabolical plot makes more sense. The scene in Africa is fully fleshed out. Batman’s motivation is much clearer, and we get to see more kickass Batman scenes. Clark Kent has his own arc where you get to see him do some actual reporter work. Even Superman smiles! A few of the existing problems in the film remain, but overall this film is 100% better with all the cut scenes in it.

Let’s take a look at some of the stuff in the Ultimate Edition (spoilers)

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  • Boogie

    You had me, you REALLY did…until I saw that darn NEXT button. Webpages/ads on this site takes a bit too long to load for someone to cycle through multiple pages for a few paragraphs.

    I still love you, though.

    • Marquis de Sade

      I saw the Collider review with Mike Schnepps, Frosty and Umberto, and they all seemed very pleased with this cut, as opposed to the theatrical cut…and they all realized that Zack Snyder got a bad rap, due to WB’s demand to cut 30 minutes, thus creating a disjointed mess.

      • Technofied

        I told you but you keep telling me that it was snyder’s fault. I knew they ruined his work to grab more shows, more money.

        I guess I can now say, “Told Ya”

        • Marquis de Sade

          Whoa! Whoa! I never had a problem with Snyder, per se, I had problems with the overall tone and scripts of both mos and bvs. I personally love Snyder’s DAWN OF THE LIVING DEAD and WATCHMEN. I don’t have a problem with his directing on mos or bvs. Action-wise, he’s far more superior than Chris Nolan, Joss Whedon, or Jon Favreau…But as I stated earlier, all great movies has to have a cohesive, tonally and well-plotted script…mos and bvs both came up short in those areas.

          • Technofied

            Do you have a problem with a darker tone? But you can’t have a problem with a darker tone coz you said you loved watchmen so you had a problem with a plot/script. Okay so let’s see if the ultimate cut changes your thoughts on the movie as it has redeemed a lot of issues for me and the movie flows a lot better than it did in the theatrical cut. to be quite honest with you, they butchered the movie when they decided to take things out and bring it down to 152 minutes. I hope the ultimate cut would do the same for you, if it doesn’t, then I guess it’s just not your cup of tea as most of the DC fans didn’t have a problem with the tone of a the movie, it was with the plot and with the flow of the movie, it was like they keep pulling you out of scenes.

          • Marquis de Sade

            I don’t have a problem with a darker tone, if it fits the narrative and original source material…but in the case of mos and (to a certain degree) bvs, dceu is coming off as doing “DARK” for the sake of “DARK”, and the actual context be damned. MOS (tone-wise) had no business being “DARK”. BvS could’ve had shades of “DARK”, but not overall dark for dark sake. It just comes off as disingenuous and not earned. There has to be a balance, or you risk turning off not only the casual viewer, but also your fanbase.

          • Technofied

            I must be dreaming. Having a productive debate with Maruis De Sade, it must be a dream!!!!!

            Well, look at the bright side, justice league won’t be dark. Thanks to the scarlett speedster and to Zach snyder for owning up to the feedback and not turning his back on the fans who do not want a darker tone. Don’t get me wrong, I am still down with everything they have done so far and i like my comic book movies dark. We have marvel to play other part, we don’t need more of that. But I still believe that Superman’s story arc was necessary, he had to go through all that shti to earn and to shine as the Superman as we knew him. It was hard as it would be for anyone with powers like that and it should be no other way. We got to see his struggle to be the hero that we have never seen in our movies before. It’s easier to say “Just give us the superman we know” but it is really unbearable to get that version of superman without having to deal with his struggle. It would be unjust.

          • Marquis de Sade

            As I stated months ago, there was no reason for Supes to be so angsty. He was raised by two loving and doting parents in a drama-free wholesome environment on a Kansas farm. He wasn’t exposed to the violence and baggage of a Bruce Wayne. That’s why the tone of bvs was redundant in the fact the two protagonist was one in the same. Two humorless capes with as much personality as Styrofoam. Outside of their desire to play hero by saving the day, (personality-wise) Bats’ n’ Supes should be yin & yang.

          • Technofied

            That’s the problem. These characters have to evolve, I mean there’s no way on earth people would be okay with a superhero flying around without having earned their respect!

            Apart from that, this iteration of Superman did not have the parents out of comics and while you might complain that it is exactly why you didn’t like this version, this version is more logical and more realistic out of everything that we have had so far. We live in a world where people are hostile to what they can’t control/understand or, overcome and there’s no way on earth we could have a boyscout version of superman. Never again because reaves has ruined it for us by saving cats out of trees and by turning back time that was outrageously stupid btw has set an expectation that ruined the franchise and the character on big screen for years to come.

            That version you keep referring to is downright stupid and wouldn’t , in fact will not work on the big screen anymore.

          • Marquis de Sade

            I’m quite certain that most folks don’t equate PA KENT admonishing a young Clark Kent for saving his fellow classmates from drowning, then suggesting he (Clark) should’ve let them drown with realism or the natural evolution of modern parenting. This is what I mean when I accuse dceu of doing DARK FOR DARK’S SAKE! – Trust, my reasonings has nothing to with that “DATED” Donner/Reeves cheese fest from the late 70’s.

          • Technofied

            That’s not being dark for dark’s sake, it is called realism. A sensible parent would try to suppress such powers to keep them from becoming a lab rat. As a kid, his father told him that he should not have let them drown but that he had to be very careful. These people won’t understand and that he would be taken away. I guess you haven’t seen what happened to the superman in flashpoint where he had no parents to adapt him and he ended up in a government facility being as a subject of science.

          • xxjinzaxx

            To put it into today’s perspective, apply the challenges of immigration and the stigma that comes with it.

            That is the realism Clark has to contend with in today’s zeitgeist.

            We no longer live in 1938, and even then, outsiders were not welcomed.

          • Technofied

            Well said!

          • xxjinzaxx

            It’s ironic that his Clark persona is seen as “he’s our kind; he’s one of us. murrica!” and harmless. But as soon as he shows his Superman “colors”, then it’s “we’re not sure if we can trust you, foreigner. You’re kind brings peril, so we don’t like you”.

            It was very interesting to see Superman in a world that is not 1-dimensional. A world that actually bites back; filled with people with their own agendas and proclivities. As opposed to what we’ve had in comic books where people just serve as a mechanism to make our heroes look good, with an existence that has as much importance as the surrounding standing buildings.

          • SAMURAI36

            Excellent analysis. Society wants its immigrants friendly, smiling, docile, and harmless. The moment they even slightly demonstrate a mindset that’s more reminiscent of their native cultural ideals, then the panic button gets hit, and you have Trump talking about building up walls.

          • xxjinzaxx

            We know most people don’t like indie films because the material usually concerns the inadequacies of society and how characters suffer through or seldom persevere against those challenges.

            When you have superheroes fail the same way normal humans do, the collective consciousness cannot take it. When a mirror is put in front of their faced to show how ugly they really are, they cry foul and quickly blame someone else for their shortcomings. Either a specific group is at fault, or the devil made em do it.

          • cjm69

            But the comparison being made here isn’t to 1938 (when the newly created Superman was himself, it should be noted, something of a rough-and-tumble character). It’s far more to the 1978 film… which at the time actually, quite deliberately, placed Superman in the context of a realistic, cynical, contemporary New York (as Metropolis), and *emphasized* the juxtaposition between his idealism and the cynicism of almost everyone he met, starting with Lois. And it *worked.*

            If we’re living in dark times today, that doesn’t necessarily mean we want or need more darkness in our entertainment. Perhaps what we need is more inspiration. Certainly the Marvel films (ironically built around characters who were, in their publishing prime, mostly noted for their “realism” in contrast to DC’s!) seem to have figured out how to strike that balance. They’re not without moral complexity, to be sure, but they’re not *bleak*.

          • xxjinzaxx

            Then keep watching and supporting those films. It’s fine. There is room for other ideas. Personally, I prefer a prismatic world in which goodness is just not goodness for the sake of being good. The same with badness for the sake of itself. I like a nuanced world that reflects facets of my own. It’s more engaging that way. Otherwise it’s just a typical popcorn film like the “funtastic” and jizz-worthy Suicide Squad!!

          • cjm69

            In most films, indeed most fictions in general, I like that “prismatic” world as well. But the setting and tone have to match the character, and Superman is simply not the right vehicle for that sort of thing. If ever there were a character who really is good for the sake of being good, who will *always* do the right thing no matter the cost to himself, he’s it.

            That doesn’t mean the world around him can’t have shades of grey and moral complexity… but Clark himself? As Eliot Maggin summed it up beautifully in his novel, as Clark sees things, “There is a right and a wrong in the universe, and the distinction between the two is not that difficult to make.”

          • cjm69

            “Ruined”? “Stupid”? Hardly. Time-reversing plot points notwithstanding, I think there’s a well-deserved general consensus that Christopher Reeves’s is still the archetypal, defining film portrayal of Superman. For my money, that 20-minute sequence in the 1978 film where he makes his public debut, first saving Lois’s helicopter then flying around town doing good deeds, still captures the essence of the character better than anything I’ve ever seen, and gives me a thrill every time I re-watch it.

            Yes, that film had its campy moments (most notably everything involving Luthor’s assistant Otis), and I certainly hope that’s not the kind of humor anyone has in mind to “lighten” Justice League and future DC films… but its handling of the central character was nigh-on perfect.

          • Technofied

            better start wearing your underoos on the outside then!!

          • SAMURAI36

            Even though it apparently was the plan from the start, I am still smarting from the notion of a “light JL”. I want the film to have gravitas, similar to BVS and MOS, albeit not quite as dark, but dark still.

          • cjm69

            It’s refreshing to see both of you being civil in this particular debate. I can’t agree with both of you, though, and for what it’s worth I have to weigh in on the other side (and concur with MdS).

            Tone is a matter of context. A dark tone made perfect sense for Watchmen (on film), since the source material (in print) was always clearly intended to be a thought-provoking, even disturbing deconstruction of super-hero tropes. (Although even there, I thought Snyder overdid it a bit by making certain scenes *more* violent than in the comic.)

            Superman? Not only does he not need that kind of treatment, but it’s fundamentally, jarringly inappropriate for his character. If there’s one character in all of comics who shouldn’t ever have to struggle to do what’s morally right, it’s Superman. As Alan Moore himself put it in his famous Last Superman Story, “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow,” it was fundamentally about “a perfect man who came from the sky and did only good.”

            In Snyder’s universe, there doesn’t seem to be room for that kind of untarnished heroism. Theoretically there was some point between MoS and BvS where Superman did some heroic stuff and was admired by the public, enough so that they even put up a statue of him (a creepy ugly one, but never mind that)… but we never got to see that version of him. What was actually on screen, in both films, was brooding, self-doubting heroism, and fear and suspicion from the public. That’s just a fundamental misreading of what Superman is about.

        • Marquis de Sade

          https://youtu.be/nSI2w1Q_PXk

          For your viewing pleasure.

          (Oh, nevermind, you’ve seen it.)

          • Boogie

            I haven’t, thanks!

      • Technofied

        I mean John Schnepp, the guy who practically butchered the theatrical cut in his review, I was amazed to see him excited by the ultimate cut! And Steve Weintraub, that guy wrote a whole bunch where he crippled the movie and even he was pleased.

        • Marquis de Sade

          Hey, they were man enough to admit it…The jury’s still out with me, cuz I won’t see it until July 19th when Amazon delivers my pre-ordered limited edition w/the Batman Statue.

          • Technofied

            that’s some news. Considering you’re posting hate comments all over the place, i appreciate you investing on a DC property.

          • Marquis de Sade

            Hey, I like to give back…Sides’, considerin’ the bath dceu took b.o.-wise, they can use some of my altruism.

          • Technofied

            yeah, I hope they learnt their lesson not to psusy out!

          • w0undedmagic

            Believe me, NO ONE needs ANYTHING from you, troll. Lol all the mindless vitriol you’ve spewed at this film, for MONTHS, and you say you’re altruistic and that “the jury is still out” for you. Pffff what a dumb troll you are.

          • Marquis de Sade

            Awwww.
            *tears*

          • w0undedmagic

            Yes, tiny tears for the tiny man. So tiny and insignificant you are, tiny man.

          • Marquis de Sade

            *Yoda voice*

            Hmmmm, the butt-hurt is strong within you, my young padwan, I see?

          • w0undedmagic

            Yoda voice? Yup you’re definitely a neckbeard. Keep on jigglin’ away as you abuse the apostrophe key.

          • Marquis de Sade

            You seem awfully unhappy…have you been gettin’ enuff fiber in your diet?

          • SAMURAI36

            You know that Disqus gave us the ability to put people on ignore, yes? My life is so much better, now that I have this dude on ignore.

          • w0undedmagic

            You hated the movie but you pre-ordered the dvd/statue?? $100 bucks for a movie you log on here and trash everyday?? HAHAHA you are the epitome of a neckbeard fanboy! You should invite TheClownPrinceOfFoodstamps over to your basement to watch with you!

      • Boogie

        I thought the movie was ok, it’s just that the franchise has SO much potential, yet they rushed a lot of things and overstuffed the movie. I still have more faith in the DCEU than the crap that Fox are doing with the X-Men.

        Again, my biggest issues were:
        1) Lex didn’t feel at all like THE Lex Luthor. He should be a contemporary to Bruce Wayne and Oliver Queen. Lex is a very important character, but his desires were rushed and he didn’t feel right.

        2) Way too much stuff going on. It was almost a joke with how they showed the JL characters via an emailed video. That was the main part of the movie that looked cheap. Cyborg isn’t that main of a character to me, but due to how he came to be with the Mother Box, he could have had a really cool origin movie. In the Daily Planet newspaper, it said something like Vic Stone’s ‘hopes were dashed due to an accident’. Dude lost HALF of his body! More than just his damn hopes were dashed lol. I still don’t know what happened to him. Cyborg’s origin could have been the beginning of the JL movie. Anyway, the Flash looked silly. Aquaman looked lost. Still, I think the JL movie should be cool.

        3) A Batman movie should have come out before BvS. That would have solved a lot of problems and it would have given more time for plot and character development in BvS. It also could have had some Suicide Squad members going to jail in order to further help that franchise too.

        With that said, it was not a terrible movie at all. I liked it, but I don’t want them to rush in order to catch up with the Avengers.

        • Marquis de Sade

          In total agreement + why did dceu shoot their whole wad on what could’ve been their phase 2 or 3 with Doomsday?

          • Boogie

            The main villain for BvS could have easily been Metallo instead of Doomsday. I could even forgive that if they did Lex well. Jesse did a decent job, but he wasn’t Lex Luthor. Kinda like with Civil War’s Baron Zemo. Jude Law, Matthew Goode, or Orlando Bloom could have played Zemo in their sleep.

          • Guest

            He was playing Alexander Luthor.

          • SAMURAI36

            This whole “Lex not done well” bit grows tiresome. They clearly went with a Silver Age Lex, mixed with the version from Birthright and Earth One, almost to a T.

            If I had to bet, I think the “THE” Lex you’re alluding to, is the one from the animated series. While I enjoyed that Lex, that’s not the only Lex, nor is it even the original version.

          • Boogie

            I like a Lex that isn’t a simple villain, but a long game character. I have no interest in seeing Lex again in the DCEU. I’d rather a more complex character, not a mustache-twirling villain.

          • SAMURAI36

            Sooo, the Lex from Birthright and Earth One was not a “long term character”? Because that is who Lex in BVS was based on.

            More over, if you got just a “mustache-twirling villain” from Lex in BVS, then you really weren’t paying attention to the film, let alone must not have watched the UC.

          • Boogie

            Lex in BvS: UC planned everything, yep. And Doomsday almost killed him in one punch if Superman didn’t jump in the way. I’m not a fan of this Lex. It’s my opinion bro. You trying to force your idea down my throat is silly. I just don’t care about this Lex. I don’t think he was terrible, but I’m just not that interested in him. Lex (like most other things in BvS) felt very rushed and forced. All that planning to get Superman and Batman to not like each other and in the end Superman is forced to fight because of his mom…not all of that planning. Batman (the world’s greatest detective) saw none of this coming and wouldn’t even try to listen to Superman when he tried to reason with him.

            Anyway, as for Lex, I’ll see where they take him, but as for now, I’m not a fan. Wonder Woman was ok. Batman was good. Superman was fine. Alfred was probably my favorite character in the movie.

          • SAMURAI36

            Lex in BvS: UC planned everything, yep. And Doomsday almost killed him in one punch if Superman didn’t jump in the way. I’m not a fan of this Lex.

            Yes, that’s called hubris. Something that Lex falls victim to, literally all the time, which is why he always loses. In fact, I can cite a dozen stories in which something of the sort happens.

            You don’t really know much about DC history, do you?

            It’s my opinion bro. You trying to force your idea down my throat is silly. I just don’t care about this Lex. I don’t think he was terrible, but I’m just not that interested in him. Lex (like most other things in BvS) felt very rushed and forced.

            It’s completely fine that you don’t like it, but you’re typing entire paragraphs in attempts to justify why. You don’t get to do that, without someone having the right to rebut your POV.

            Anyway, as for Lex, I’ll see where they take him, but as for now, I’m not a fan. Wonder Woman was ok. Batman was good. Superman was fine. Alfred was probably my favorite character in the movie.

            This is very telling. It seems that you like Alfred, because he’s the one character that was presented as a whole. He didn’t need growth or development. Which is basically always how Alfred is presented.

            However, the other characters were always meant to be a work in progress. Which is why you (and anyone else) saying that they are “rushed” holds no weight.

            And that just belabors the real issue with your (and others) critique on BVS and the DCEU as a whole: you want “THE Lex”, “THE Supes”, etc., and you want them presented as fully fleshed out in a way that you are familiar with them, right off the bat.

            That was NEVER going to be what they were going to do, and they pretty much told us this from day one (i.e. MOS).

            You set yourself up for failure, by viewing BVS as something you wanted it to be, rather than what it actually is.

            Too bad for you.

          • Boogie

            Dude, you’re writing research papers on why I should like Lex. It’s called having an opinion. I see that you’re a BvS buttboi, which is ok, but I’m not against the franchise, I simply didn’t take a shine to Lex. Are you riding his d*ck or something? Seriously, this is becoming funny lol

          • SAMURAI36

            You don’t get to have an opinion, that’s not based on anything. If that’s the case, everyone would be walking around saying “the sky is green, cuz that’s my opinion”.

            You’re presenting “opinions”, while I’m correcting those opinions with facts.

            And then when you make a hOmo-suggestive statement about an imaginary character, then you really give cause to not take you seriously, “bro”.

          • Boogie

            Didn’t read, but thanks for your opinion!

          • Boogie

            Also, I had no view for BvS. I always thought the idea was stupid, but I still supported the movie. You really need some help. This version of Lex didn’t feel like a ‘work in progress’. He felt complete. So complete that we JUST met him and he already knows everything about Superman/Clark, Batman/Bruce, and the entire JUSTICE LEAGUE LMAO! Heck, he even designed their logos lol.

            Hey, all of that is fine, but I (ME, NUMERO FRICKEN UNO) didn’t like him. The world isn’t going to come to an end because of that. I’m also not a big fan green peas and trap music.

          • SAMURAI36

            It’s fine if you don’t like trap music (neither do I), but if you said “I don’t like trap music, because they use too many violins in it”, then I would be calling you out, no differently from what I am doing based on what you said about Lex.

            And you didn’t just say “I don’t like Lex”. You presented a diatribe (more than once) about why you didn’t, and that’s what I was addressing. You created (and are continuing to create) a false narrative, about Lex, BVS, and the DCEU as a whole.

            It’s fine to have an opinion, but if you don’t want your opinions challenged, then it’s best that you probably keep them to yourself, aka “NUMERO FRICKEN UNO”.

          • Marquis de Sade

            LOL! Yeah, Sammy-rai is a headcase, huh?

          • Boogie

            LOL! Exactly! Talk about “weirdo”. BvS was an ok movie, but I didn’t like Lex much. He’s acting like I’m insulting his boyfriend or girlfriend. Sammy needs to get a grip, but I’m sure he will when Lex is released from prison (^.^)

          • SAMURAI36

            Besides, none of what you said addresses or acknowledges what I’d originally said. The Lex that we got in BVS is A) very faithful to the comics, ala “THE Lex”, and B) just like the comics, will grow and evolve, just like every other character in the DCEU will.

          • Boogie

            It acknowledges what I said: I DON’T LIKE HIM. What part of that is such a bad thing? I’m just a dude on the internet, bro.

          • SAMURAI36

            So, because your point is getting refuted, you’re claiming the part of the victim? It’s fine that you don’t like him. I don’t like Lois as a character all that much. But that doesn’t mean that their portrayal of these characters is somehow inaccurate, as you are trying to imply.

          • Boogie

            More lolz

          • SAMURAI36

            We’re all “dudes on the internet”, bro. That doesn’t excuse any of us from not being honest in conversations.

            It’s fine that you didn’t like him, but the reasonings you are positing are disingenuous. Lex in BVS was extremely complex.

          • Boogie

            Why in the F*CK are you still talking about this???

          • SAMURAI36

            I can talk about whatever I want, cuz I’m a “dude on the internet, bro”.

          • Boogie

            Yeah, a weird dude talking about old stuff that no one cares about. Stop being butthurt and move on.

          • Boogie

            Good job. Go troll somewhere else.

          • cjm69

            Matter of opinion. I’ve read a *lot* of Superman comics over the years, and I see essentially no similarity between Eisenberg’s portrayal of Luthor and any version that’s ever appeared in print, Silver Age or otherwise. I’m genuinely curious what aspect of the film made you think that.

          • SAMURAI36

            Just because you’ve read SOME Superman books, doesn’t mean that you’ve read them all, let alone the ones that BVS’s Lex is based directly upon.

            Eisenberg’s Lex is based directly on Superman Birthright. Almost to a “T”.

            http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oXO-KkwraWA/VqaLYVoqLZI/AAAAAAAABFA/Fe1EC1OXAAs/s1600/Luthor%2B-%2BBirthright.jpg

            As well as Superman Secret Origins:

            http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oXO-KkwraWA/VqaLYVoqLZI/AAAAAAAABFA/Fe1EC1OXAAs/s1600/Luthor%2B-%2BBirthright.jpg

            That’s in terms of BVS Lex’s look and motivations. I would even throw Superman: Earth One in for good measure, at least in terms of his motivations.

            http://www.publishersweekly.com/images/data/ARTICLE_PHOTO/photo/000/030/30276-1.JPG

            So there you have it. 3 different, yet prominent iterations of the character, spanning the past decade.

            So yes, they did in fact pull directly from the comics as source material.

            Defense rests.

          • cjm69

            “Some”? I have read Birthright. I have read Secret Origins. I have read Earth One. And you could add pretty much every other Superman comic, mini-series, graphic novel, or guest appearance over a 30-year period. (Yes, I’m a major fan.)

            I’ll grant that the visuals somewhat evoke Birthright, although I think Mark Waid would disagree that the characterization bears any similarity to the Lex that he wrote (and I’d argue that even the visual similarity is only coincidence, since after all the original casting preference was for Bryan Cranston, who certainly doesn’t resemble Jesse Eisenberg at all). I honestly don’t see any similarity personality-wise between either Johns’ or Straczynski’s versions of Lex (both of whom were cold, calculating, and arrogantly confident) and the twitchy, giggly, logorrheic Lex we saw in the film.

            But even if we *were* to stipulate that JE’s portrayal of Lex did have some correspondence to three one-off depictions of the character published over the past decade, it would still be worth acknowledging that none of those were defining or long-term depictions, and moreover that the BvS Lex is worlds away from both the longstanding Silver Age and post-Crisis depictions, the first of which you also cited as an influence.

            None of that is to say that new interpretations of a character are out of bounds. Actors and directions can make their own choices. But it’s fair to criticize those choices, and just as Hackman’s portrayal of Lex in the Reeve films found little foundation in the comics, I’d say the same is true of Eisenberg’s today… and in my estimation, at least, this new interpretation just didn’t work. The character didn’t come across as plausible.

          • cjm69

            It kills me to think that Snyder had the chance to cast Bryan Cranston as Luthor (how great would that have been?), and instead decided to go with Eisenberg after he initially talked to him about the Jimmy Olsen (!) role. Biggest casting mistake of the film, by far.

          • Technofied

            Because unlike Marvel, DC is not looking to expand their universe for decades to come. Unlike Marvel, they are not planning to have their kids making these movies.

            I am glad they hadn’t done what marvel did. Nobody needs that, we have had enough of it and people are getting tired of the whole idea and sooner or, later, it will catch up with Marvel! Just you wait my friend, just you wait!

          • Chris W

            I don’t think doomsday makes a compelling villain in film. You want to make a 2.5 hour movie the antagonist doesn’t talk or think?

            I would have preferred they never use him. But since they insisted, this sort of approach was really the only way they could shoehorn him in to the universe.

          • Marquis de Sade

            He’s compelling in the sense that he killed Superman. Doomsday is such a force of nature it would take the combined efforts of Supes and The JLA to take him down over a 2 picture arc. It would be epic and fun!

          • Chris W

            We have very different definitions of compelling.

            2 movies of a non talking, non thinking antagonist. I’m glad you’re not a producer.

          • Marquis de Sade

            Yeah, and in your hands we’d probably get something like that snore-fest, SUPERMAN RETURNS, huh?

          • Chris W

            I can tell you’re very young. Luckily for you Hollywood likes to cater to your demo.

          • Marquis de Sade

            …yeah, I can tell you’re out of touch, and as such, mayhap you should add another glass of Metamucil to your daily diet, Grandpa…can’t have you walkin’ round here bein’ a stick in the mud.

          • Chris W

            Sure thing kid.

          • Marquis de Sade

            On second thought, make that 2 glasses!

          • SAMURAI36

            Yeah, it’s called “MARVEL”.

          • cjm69

            Hm. I was agreeing with you upthread about the need for a less dour, more inspiring Superman, but I have to take issue with this. SR certainly had its flaws, but it still did a much better job of capturing its central character and his ethos than MoS or BvS.

          • Technofied

            Doomsday was not the villain, he was merely a tool to destroy batman, a means to an end to Lex in his own demented way. Doomsday has never been a genuine antagonist. All he has been is a brute force. The real villain at play here was Lex and if you couldn’t figure that out, I feel sorry.

          • Chris W

            Did you even read the discussion? The kid is talking about how Doomsday should have been the main antagonist in a 2 parter. Try hooked on phonics, I feel sorry for you.

          • Technofied

            Don’t mind him. he is a total tool. He likes to get under your skin and this response was meant for him, not for you.

            2 movies of a non talking/non thinking alien would be worse than green lantern.

          • Marquis de Sade

            Uhhh, Jaws didn’t have any dialog, but that didn’t take away how compelling it was an antagonist…and in the case of Doomsday, (who is a force of nature), like in Jaws, all the dialog you need is supplied by the protagonist, Supes, and the JLA.

        • SAMURAI36

          Are these critiques pre or post UC? Because nearly all of what you express here has been rendered moot with the advent of the UC.

          • Boogie

            Same issues. They fixed the flow, but there’s still a lot going on. Building the DCEU via email video is still there. Again, they are rushing things. I want the DC films to do well, but I wish that they’d have released ‘The Batman’ before BvS. They could have filmed them both at once. Better yet, fully flesh out whatever they were trying to do with BvS and split that into two movies: one in March and the other in August with Suicide Squad in October.

          • SAMURAI36

            Yes, you said all of this before. Several times. And I didn’t/don’t agree with them then, either.

            How is a movie that took 3 years to make, “rushed”? They’re not “rushing” anything; they are telling the story in the manner that they wish to tell it.

            And finding out about people via video surveillance isn’t a bad thing at all. You didn’t like it, and that’s fine.

            They did to a Batman before BVS. It was called TDK trilogy. A DCEU solo Batman film doesn’t need to come before BVS, because in the story, Batman had retired for awhile.

            LOL at you trying to re-write the DCEU to fit your whims. None of what you’re saying is applicable.

          • Boogie

            The surveillance stuff looked INCREDIBLY cheap. Almost embarrassing. Aquaman looked like he was lost underwater lol (while he was holding his breath). Flash looked silly, but it was understandable since he’s looking like a normal dude. Cyborg’s looked like very cliché and rushed. “Oh, what’s this strange box doing… It’s alive! It’s alive!!” lol his origin could have been really cool. Oh well.

            What is being RUSHED is the entire DCEU. Even Suicide Squad. We have a bunch of villains that we’ve never seen be villains. They don’t even seem like villains, just folks with bad attitudes…like they’re in juvenile detention or something.

            MoS felt like a full and proper movie. BvS, I don’t want to see it again. Suicide Squad, I’ll watch, but I’ll leave my expectations at the door. It’s looks like a fun movie, but Harley seems very sane and Deadshot is rocking a volleyball helmet.

          • SAMURAI36

            The surveillance stuff looked INCREDIBLY cheap. Almost embarrassing.

            It’s supposed to look cheap; it’s surveillance footage. As someone that works in an industry where I look at surveillance footage all day, it NEVER looks like anything other than cheap.

            Aquaman looked like he was lost underwater lol (while he was holding his breath). Flash looked silly, but it was understandable since he’s looking like a normal dude. Cyborg’s looked like very cliché and rushed. “Oh, what’s this strange box doing… It’s alive! It’s alive!!” lol his origin could have been really cool. Oh well.

            We can agree to disagree about Aquaman, and Flash, but you do realize that that was Cyborg’s actual origin?

            It doesn’t seem like you know much about these characters.

            What is being RUSHED is the entire DCEU. Even Suicide Squad. We have a bunch of villains that we’ve never seen be villains. They don’t even seem like villains, just folks with bad attitudes…like they’re in juvenile detention or something.

            Wow, you saw SS already? Did you get to view a private screening? I sincerely hope so, and I hope you’re not talking about a movie that you haven’t even seen yet. Cuz that would make you sound really silly.

            MoS felt like a full and proper movie. BvS, I don’t want to see it again. Suicide Squad, I’ll watch, but I’ll leave my expectations at the door. It’s looks like a fun movie, but Harley seems very sane and Deadshot is rocking a volleyball helmet.

            Oh, so you haven’t seen it. So that does make you sound silly, and not worth being taken seriously. Got it.

          • Boogie

            Didn’t read by LOL

          • SAMURAI36

            Also, you said that you have a problem with how the villains in SS are being introduced… You do realize that in the comics, the book was the first time that many of them were every introduced, yes?

            Nah, of course you don’t, because that doesn’t fit with your “opinion”.

          • cjm69

            Umm, no, it wasn’t. Quite the contrary: the 1980s-’90s Suicide Squad series was a very deliberate attempt to take *existing* C-list characters from the DC stable and use them in a new way, “remixed” into provocative, politically complex stories. (And it was brilliant, some of the best work of John Ostrander’s career.) Very, very few characters in it (aside from Amanda Waller herself) were created new for that series.

          • SAMURAI36

            You’re actually correct about that. Perhaps I should have said that SS as a “team” book took characters that weren’t prominently utilized in the DCU, and brought them to prominence.

          • Marquis de Sade

            “They did to a Batman before BVS. It was called TDK trilogy. ”

            Nolan’s TDK trilogy is not part of dceu’s canon…Stop bein’ desperate, Sammy-rai.

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  • Quiet_Righty

    Please correct the typos in the article.

  • Alboone

    What a difference 30 minutes can make. Like Umberto said I feel the same way that WB left some serious money on the table by not releasing this cut. It went from a cool looking yet disappointing movie to a solid superhero epic drama. I tip my hat to Zack Snyder and crew. Well done.

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  • Marquis de Sade

    Lighten up, Francis! This ain’t The Atlantic Monthly, or The Harvard Review.

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  • Carl

    Finally got a HQ still of CG Beast WW! lol

    Gonna watch the Ultimate Cut tomorrow and see if it’s any better. I’m also going to use my fiance as a test. She is going to be able to watch the Ultimate Cut without ever seeing the original.

    • DarkoCool

      Schweeeet!

    • xxjinzaxx

      Watching her do this gave me goosebumps at the theater; equally at home watching the UE. Many action scenes from the movie have parallels to the opening video of DCUO. The only good ever to come out of SOE post-EQ.

      • Carl

        Nah the action in BvS was awful. It was dark muddy cgi with no weight to it. The DCUO intro was awesome and much better than all of BvS.

    • xxjinzaxx

      Watching her do this gave me goosebumps at the theater; equally at home watching the UE. Many action scenes from the movie have parallels to the opening video of DCUO. The only good ever to come out of SOE post-EQ.

  • Monty

    I find it a bit odd that most of these points were easily inferred on the theatrical release and that so many people are coming around now that it has been explained to them. The only bit that we were in the dark about and not privy to was that the wheelchair was lined with lead. Also, there is no way The Ultimate Cut can be considered rated “R.” It’s a hard PG-13 at best. One F bomb and two more broken arms is no where near enough for an R rating. The only thing happening here is an internet hysteria including pitchforks and torches (figuratively) that people now realize was unwarranted.

    • SAMURAI36

      I totally agree with you. While the UC did expand on the TC, you really didn’t need the UC to know what was going on.

    • xxjinzaxx

      I know. We didn’t even get a naked blue man showing his penis.

      Even Superman The Movie showed a baby Kal-El showing his shame.
      The MPAA has gone way too conservative.

      • Monty

        I forgot about the Affleck booty.

    • Antonio Chasten

      The CGI blood splatter during the extended North Africa scene and the extended Batman warehouse fight with CGI blood. I agree it’s a hard PG-13 and you can get away with one F bomb for a PG 13 rating but I think the CGI blood is what eventually tipped it to an R rating.

  • Caped Baldy

    “see more kickass Batman scenes”

    I see what u did there.

  • Guest

    You guys realize Eisenberg was playing Alexander Luthor right?

    • Carl

      Yeah that’s what Lex is short for.

      • SAMURAI36

        That’s not what the OP was talking about. He’s referring to the character of Lex, not his name.

        People are just more familiar with the burley business tycoon Lex that the cartoons made popular. But that’s not what Lex always was. In fact, that was NEVER what he originally was in the comics, or even in the Donner movies.

        Which is why DC decided to do the original Lex in BVS, while still honoring the version we know, by alluding to him in the movie, as Lex’s father. Actually, the version that everybody knows, is Lex’s father.

        More examples of Silver Age Lex:

        http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dead-man.jpg

        http://www.fortressofbaileytude.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Cosmic-Teams-Lex-II-A.jpg

        • cjm69

          Neither of the images you posted is from a Silver Age portrayal of the character. The first is from his posy-Crisis re-imagining by John Byrne (which, in fact, turned him into the business tycoon you remember from the cartoon), and the second is from a ’90s storyline when Lex faked his own death and came back in a cloned body pretending to be his own son. The Silver Age version was a super-genius scientist who was always in and out of prison, and was never a respected businessman.

    • Joey Wabi-Sabi

      You do realize that in the comics, Lex Luthor’s full name has always been aLEXander Luthor?

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  • Stephane

    GOOOOOD! Saw it using boxxy software and it’s so cool to be a user and have all movies ever made and all serials too!