A Call For Truce Between Radical Fans

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A battle among the fans that has been raging on for years and it is the stark difference between respectful and radical fans.  The most obvious manifestation of said radical fans would be the individuals who enjoy Marvel or DC Comics. These Radical fans often choose one side and defend that company to the bitter end. The attitude between the two companies has been one of a friendly competition, which is what it should be, but there is an issue and a divide within the comic fan community. This issue may seem petty and it is, but some people take their love for their respective favorite companies way too far. The hostility is bubbling to the  forefront as we are about to enter into a time where both DC and Marvel have interconnected franchises on the big screen. The fanbases are growing and the love for the material is getting more and more passionate and that can lead to some unfortunate consequences.

Rivalry & Hostility

As comic book movie fans we tend to have it lucky as of recently.  Getting the opportunity to watch our favorite heroes leap off the pages and onto the big screen is a joy. Marvel has been very successful since 2008 making their films interconnected and as of recently DC is about to jump right into doing a very similar thing with their characters. We are lucky to have all of this happening, but the issues are arising. There is an incessant need among comic fans to choose a side. DC or Marvel. There can be only one. This in itself is fine, but the issues arise when they begin to throw insults back and forth. There is an important difference between friendly competition, which for the most part the two companies practice, and radical fanaticism. If you’ve ever been to a comment section on any website about superheroes then you most likely have seen fans of either side going head to head. There are many instances where it’s a civil debate, but some people take it so seriously that they will give out death threats. They can get so angry and passionate that they can’t see anything other than their extreme devotion and can actually cause some serious hurt.

Passion & Aggression

In my experiences as a fan and avid follower of both DC and Marvel properties I have run into individuals that take their love way too seriously. They are so invested in the one company they choose that they will actively go out of their way to attack or antagonize people who don’t agree. I’ve run into a scenario where if you begin to bring up valid points of criticism in a conversation that the other person retreats to name calling and bullying tactics.  I’ve heard and seen many instances of situations devolving into nothing but personal attacks and insults and quite frankly it is fucking ridiculous. This ridiculousness reaches far beyond just fans getting blasted by other fans.  The people responsible for making films, television, and comic properties are at the mercy of fans who will criticize anything and everything to the point where they insult the creators personally. Their passion clouds all rational judgement and it can be scary for the victims of said fanatics. The most similar area where I find this happening is in sports. Often sports fans can get out of control with their devotion to their teams that they see anyone else as their enemy. Sometimes even riots and acts of violence have broken out after a game. Now, comic fans have not gotten to this point, which is great, but their devotion can be almost as intense.

Truce & Changes

The point that I am trying to get at is that it is completely fine to prefer one company over another. It is even fine to hate one company, but the disdain for the company or a difference of opinion shouldn’t be used as an excuse to verbally slander or attack someone personally. It is easy to get lost in your passion, but it is important to remember that to make yourself and your respective favorite company or characters look great you must treat people with the respect that they deserve as individuals. The ideals that superheroes stand for is all about protecting the weak and the innocent and doing what is right. It would be a great thing if the fans of said comic characters acted in the ways that superheroes are supposed to be. I am asking for people  to strive to be this way. Be humble, be respectful, and  find joy in the fact that others also enjoy comics in a similar way to you. I know this is a near impossible feat for some people, but I feel that if at least some try, then the community of fans would benefit greatly.

Christian Michael Stoic

Christian Michael Stoic

Christian Michael Stoic is a writer, filmmaker, and comic lover from Los Angeles, CA. Heroic Hollywood is his introduction into the world of Journalism which...

  • Luis Alexandre

    bullshit!

    • Darthmanwe

      Irony or should I start shaking my head in disgust and simple pity?

      • Joseph Chaisson

        I took that comment as a joke.

      • SAMURAI36

        Perhaps I should ask you the same thing.

  • Axxell

    I say if you have to resort to insults, then you’ve already lost the argument. I think people are much too focused on being right that they take any deviation of their perceived facts as a personal affront.

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    • SAMURAI36

      You’ve got some nerve. But carry on….

      • Axxell

        Nerve? Why?

        • SAMURAI36

          You’re a (not so) smart guy… Figure it out.

          • Axxell

            Ah…forgot you’re one of those guys that needs to insult people to make your point. Just the kind the article talks about.

  • Thanostic

    Agreed. I, for one, am enjoying both sets of movies immensely, and can’t remember the last time I was so excited for a slate of movies over the next couple of years (and I’m 40). I don’t know why some people can’t just enjoy this unprecedented run of movies that take us back to the characters of our childhood – we may never see its like again, so hopefully people will appreciate the efforts of both companies. But Marvel is still better. :)

    • SAMURAI36

      Your last statement is exactly why the “truce” never happens.

      • Nohbody

        No, it would be a demonstration of “why the “truce” never happens” if it had said “Marvel is still better, and anyone who doesn’t agree is a big poopyhead!”. The article was pretty explicit that simply liking one property over another wasn’t in and of itself the issue.

      • Thanostic

        Come on, Samurai, I was just having a little fun! I’m on record as saying I like both a lot, and trying to point out that it’s ok to have a preference for one over the other and still be amicable about it.

  • Allen

    Perfect example of this: Devin Faraci, a well respected critic and a friend of this site’s founder has been the target of death threats and constant attacks on social media, not because he said BVS was going to be bad, but because he said his sources within wb were split on the film.

    • BR

      I agree that no one should get death threats or any form for verbal abuse for merely stating an opinion about a movie. But Faraci goes out of his way to insult the DCEU. He’s very biased towards Marvel movies. In the last year or so it seems as if he’s crossed over into full-blown hatred of DC fans.

      Which I guess is understandable if he’s been getting death threats.

      • Allen

        His site posts weekly recaps of three of the five dctv shows, he’s gone on record as a fan of Zack Snyder’s on multiple occasions, and he and his entire writing team are openly excited about suicide squad. Yes he has said he didn’t like MOS (not an uncommon opinion) and has expressed concerns about BVS because he thinks that like MOS the movie doesn’t get superman and why he has endured as a character (it’s the same reason people love Chris Evans as Captain America), something I and many prominent comics writers who have written the character agree with him on. BVS is openly indulging in a lot of the things that made the nineties a dark era for comics. I’m not saying it’s gonna suck and neither is Devin but the marketing has been really inconsistent so far and has increasingly shoved superman to the background in favor of batman recently which jives with what Devin has gone on record as having heard from his sources. He’s a journalist and a film critic, he’s doing his job which is to report and editorialize on what he’s hearing.

        • BR

          I suppose the *actual title jokes are an important part of his journalism?

          Or his crack that “Worst Heroes Ever” meant that DC hated their characters? Was that also fair?

          And if he’s a legitimate film critic, how can he honestly claim that each Marvel movie is amazing when so many are merely above average?

          His recent post on Civil War is a prime example of the type of ‘journalist’ he is. One who exchanges positive headlines for access to information. He’s basically Harry Knowles, but with an inflated sense of self-worth.

        • SAMURAI36

          Everything you said, and that you quoted Devin as saying, is nothing more than a backhanded statement.

          First, I’d posit that both Devin, as well as most of the people who complain about MOS online, don’t really know the history of Superman to begin with, in order to make such statements. Snyder and co. ripped MOS directly from the pages of the early comics.

          It’s also a joke that Chris Evans is somehow the embodiment of Craptain America, as if that is somehow a good thing. In fact, Crap has received the exact same amount of characterization in 4 appearances in over 12 movies, that people claim Superman received in 1 film. Which, is not really all that much.

          But no one cares, because…. Go Marvel!! :-/

        • SAMURAI36

          I just took a stroll thru BMD, and your statements are so false, it’s not even funny.

          “Why the R-rated BATMAN V SUPERMAN is so weird.”

          “If the show isn’t set in an existing version of the DC universe will it just end up feeling like generic Superhero Adjacent Comedy? I’m very curious… but maybe not curious enough to watch. ”

          “This is an easier question when it comes to Superman. No, Superman does not kill, and one of the main problems with Man of Steel is that it did not earn the moment when Superman broke his own code. Superman killed in the comics, but it was a huge deal. In the post-Crisis continuity he exiled himself to space after killing Zod and his Kryptonian buddies.”

          “And the use of Bohemian Rhapsody – a song so played out some karaoke joints won’t even allow it anymore – doesn’t give me a sense either way.”

          “Seriously, how weird is it that the BvS trailer is going out of its way to show us that Wonder Woman flies commercial?”

          And this was just the first 5 DC related articles that I clicked on. The dude is an ignorant, self-important hack. He’s the Rich Johnston (Of Bleeding Fool fame) of movies. No one to take seriously.

          So, if you are A) taking him seriously, and B) trying to convince others to do so, that means A) you are him, just writing under a pseudo name, B) paid to defend him, or C) related to, and/or intimate with him.

          Either way, I for one am not buying what you’re selling.

  • Colonel_Neville_Wraithchild

    “The attitude between the two companies has been one of a friendly competition, which is what it should be” yeah, anthony mackie and sebastian stan are nothing but “friendly” towards DC’s properties… good joke

    • Joseph Chaisson

      It was a retort to comments made about the MCU.

    • SAMURAI36

      Precisely. I’d add:

      *Stan Lee
      *Chris Helmsworth
      *Sam Jackson
      *Axel Alonso
      *Jeph Loeb
      *Joe Quesada

      To that list as well.

  • SuperBuckeye30

    Sadly, this will never come to fruition as long as the Internet exists. There are too many sociopaths out there who just love to ruffle people’s feathers and create some sort of pissing contest between Marvel and DC just so they can find personal satisfaction and fulfillment. It’s just really childish and pointless. I can guarantee you Marvel is rooting for this film, because if it’s a runaway success, then it keeps the CBM momentum going full steam ahead for the foreseeable future. If you’re a comic book fan or comic book movie fan, then you want to see both companies continue to be successful so that these movies don’t go the way of the western.

    • SAMURAI36

      Where is the actual proof that “Marvel is rooting for this film”? Because we’ve already seen several comments from Marvel people that indicate otherwise.

      • SuperBuckeye30

        No executive from Disney or Marvel Studios is going to go on record and publicly support the film, so you’re never going to see proof, but if you use common sense, it’s a pretty safe bet that internally they are rooting for the film for the reasons I mentioned above. I mean, doesn’t it make sense that these companies want each other to succeed because continued success from all CBM producing studios (Marvel, Fox, WB/DC, Sony) means that this genre will keep running smoothly for the foreseeable future? If they start releasing a bunch of turds and underperforming films, then interest is going to start diminishing. The only Marvel “people” that have indicated otherwise is Anthony Mackie who is a loudmouth anyway. Shots have been fired on both sides by the actors, but internally I think the studios want both movies to do well so CBMs continue to flourish.

        • SAMURAI36

          All of this is just your opinion, nothing more. Especially when the facts refute what you are saying.

          Everyone knows about the licensing embargo Marvel has placed on Fox. They clearly don’t want them to do well. And let’s not count the fact that Marvel has tried to sabotage DC more than once on the publishing end.

          The reality is, as begrudged as I am to admit, Marvel has done well for nearly a decade without DC even being on the movie map.

          Also, several Marvel people besides Mackie have voiced their idiotic opinions, such as:

          *Mackie
          *Sam Jackson
          *RDJ
          *Chris Helmsworth
          *Stan Lee
          *Axel Alonso
          *Joe Quesada
          *Sebastian Stan
          *Frank Grillo

          If you’re going to try to stick up for Marvel, perhaps you should be a little better informed about them. At which point, you might not wanna stick up for them at all.

          • SuperBuckeye30

            The licensing embargo makes a ton of sense from a business standpoint. If you had two things, and on one you earned 100% of the revenues from the efforts that you put into making it, and the other you earned a much smaller percentage (5%) for the same amount of time and effort, you’d be more likely to concentrate more heavily on the first, wouldn’t you? X-Men: Days of Future Past did just fine without a huge merchandising push while Fantastic Four was just a failure from the start. The comics stopped selling years before Marvel pulled them off the shelves. In no way did Marvel try to sabotage those films.

            Regarding the comments, you’re taking a lot of those comments a bit too literally, dude. A lot of these comments are just the actors having fun with their interviewer and vice versa, especially the ones with Mackie. You’re really blowing them out of proportion. Let’s analyze some of these comments you claim are such big attacks on DC and clearly indicate the actor that said them wants DC to fail.

            Samuel L. Jackson – “I think Marvel has figured out a way to make those movies accessible to the public that DC hasn’t. I don’t know what that is. I don’t know why you can’t get Batman and Superman or people to get as juiced up to be a part of that.” Geez, what a SCATHING comment that one was. He clearly wants DC to fail.

            Robert Downey Jr. – his quote is a bit too lengthy, but he both compliments the movie and then throws a little “f*ck you DC in there at the end. Again, another interview where he’s having a bit of fun with the interviewer. Watch it live and it’s easy to see that Downey Jr. is just being a bit of a goofball and having some fun with the interviewer.

            Chris Hemsworth – “We’re just winning, aren’t we?” he told Jake Hamilton. “That’s not really a rivalry.” Again, watch the live interview and you clearly will see that he’s simply joking around with the interviewer who asked him about the Marvel/DC rivalry.

            Stan Lee – “DC, of course, is trying to catch up to Marvel,” Lee tells the Toronto Sun at the recent GiIlette/Stark Industries event. “More power to them. It’s good if everybody does well, but they’re certainly starting from a ways back. They have a lot of catching up to do. But Marvel has so many heroes. DC just has Superman, Batman and maybe Wonder Woman. Perhaps they’ll use The Flash. Green Lantern wasn’t very successful, but we’ll see.” OMG, someone call the police because and report this man for verbal abuse!

            Axel Alonso & Joe Quesada Yeah, of course – that’s what people want to think. But let’s be clear: The DC relaunch is a response to everything Marvel’s been doing, and not the other way around. You don’t set fire to your entire house for no good reason. And by the way, I tip my hat to them. They did something daring and it worked for them. They boosted sales of some of their books. But ‘Avengers vs. X-Men is something that’s been on our docket for publishing for several years now.” I mean, they kind of have a point, right? Little suspicious that they just decided to clean house and start fresh, something they are doing once more to fit it with the new DCEU. They’ve been reactive for years. Plus, Joe actually compliments them in his quote. Again, you’re overreacting.

            Sebastian Stan – “I would say we’re still making something very original in our own way. I mean, the Russos are coming in and taking something people are used to and they’re shaping it up and changing it in a very different way. They’re not trying to mimic a better Christopher Nolan movie or something like that.” lol I love this comment because it’s true. Plus, Stan was simultaneously defending his employer AND retaliating at Zack Snyder’s diss about Ant-Man when he called it the “Flavor of the Month” Marvel movie.

            Frank Grillo – “If you have $15 left to your name, save it. Batman vs. Stupidman. Nobody’s gonna stop me, I’m Crossbones.” This was clearly Frank having fun with a room full of Marvel fans at some fan event. If it were a DC actor saying something about Marvel in a setting like this, the room would have reacted the same exact way. It’s a playful jab, nothing more.

            At the end of the day, your going to side with the studio that’s paying the bills. We’ve had Ben Affleck, Jason Momoa and Zack Snyder all join the Marvel diss parade recently, and it’s nothing more than playful jabs at one another. No one has explicitly come out and said that they wish failure on one another. It’s all for fun, and if you can’t see that, then you’re way too jaded and there’s no hope for you.

          • SAMURAI36

            The licensing embargo makes a ton of sense from a business standpoint.

            Oh, so now it “makes sense”? Because just a moment ago, you were “guaranteeing” that just the opposite made sense. So which is it?

            If you had two things, and on one you earned 100% of the revenues from the efforts that you put into making it, and the other you earned a much smaller percentage (5%) for the same amount of time and effort, you’d be more likely to concentrate more heavily on the first, wouldn’t you?

            Why on earth is it an either/or scenario? So, somehow 0% is better than 5%? You know full well, that it’s not about that. If you can take the time to research everything the Marvel people said, then you can (and probably have) research the same about Marvel’s on-going beef with Fox.

            At the end of the day, it’s only the fans that suffer (not to mention all the licensing companies that forked out money to produce Marvel product), not Fox.

            X-Men: Days of Future Past did just fine without a huge merchandising push while Fantastic Four was just a failure from the start. The comics stopped selling years before Marvel pulled them off the shelves. In no way did Marvel try to sabotage those films.

            See my last comment above. But I love how you are gonna go down with the morally corrupt sinking ship that is Marvel. Good luck with that.

            Regarding the comments, you’re taking a lot of those comments a bit too literally, dude. A lot of these comments are just the actors having fun with their interviewer and vice versa, especially the ones with Mackie. You’re really blowing them out of proportion. Let’s analyze some of these comments you claim are such big attacks on DC and clearly indicate the actor that said them wants DC to fail.

            Why is it that nobody else thinks these actors were “having fun”? But yes, lets…

            Samuel L. Jackson – “I think Marvel has figured out a way to make those movies accessible to the public that DC hasn’t. I don’t know what that is. I don’t know why you can’t get Batman and Superman or people to get as juiced up to be a part of that.” Geez, what a SCATHING comment that one was. He clearly wants DC to fail.

            Yes, it was “scathing” (not a word that I used, but okay), because it’s clearly FALSE. People are pumped up about Batman and Superman. But why does he have so much time to talk about his competitor? BTW, that’s not all that he said, either.

            Robert Downey Jr. – his quote is a bit too lengthy, but he both compliments the movie and then throws a little “f*ck you DC in there at the end. Again, another interview where he’s having a bit of fun with the interviewer. Watch it live and it’s easy to see that Downey Jr. is just being a bit of a goofball and having some fun with the interviewer.

            Why is this always your go-to answer? Having fun with the interviewer? Who does that? Was he “having fun with the interviewer” when another interviewer ambushed him with questions about his father? He wasn’t laughing then, but clearly DC is always funny to these people?

            Chris Hemsworth – “We’re just winning, aren’t we?” he told Jake Hamilton. “That’s not really a rivalry.” Again, watch the live interview and you clearly will see that he’s simply joking around with the interviewer who asked him about the Marvel/DC rivalry.

            You keep telling me to “watch the interviews”, as if I haven’t watched them already. I’m bringing them to YOU, remember?

            Dude, these people aren’t joking around. Perhaps you haven’t, but I’ve lived long enough to know when someone is serious, even when they are laughing/smiling. Just like they’ve managed to woo the masses with their stale, juvenile humor, they are clearly wooing you with the same here. These folks are notorious for backhanded statements.

            Stan Lee – “DC, of course, is trying to catch up to Marvel,” Lee tells the Toronto Sun at the recent GiIlette/Stark Industries event. “More power to them. It’s good if everybody does well, but they’re certainly starting from a ways back. They have a lot of catching up to do. But Marvel has so many heroes. DC just has Superman, Batman and maybe Wonder Woman. Perhaps they’ll use The Flash. Green Lantern wasn’t very successful, but we’ll see.” OMG, someone call the police because and report this man for verbal abuse!

            You’re not even trying to be sincere now. Never mind the fact that, ONCE AGAIN, what he said was FALSE. And again, I never used the word “verbal abuse”. You’re creating a straw man argument, by putting words in my mouth.

            Axel Alonso & Joe Quesada Yeah, of course – that’s what people want to think. But let’s be clear: The DC relaunch is a response to everything Marvel’s been doing, and not the other way around. You don’t set fire to your entire house for no good reason. And by the way, I tip my hat to them. They did something daring and it worked for them. They boosted sales of some of their books. But ‘Avengers vs. X-Men is something that’s been on our docket for publishing for several years now.” I mean, they kind of have a point, right? Little suspicious that they just decided to clean house and start fresh, something they are doing once more to fit it with the new DCEU. They’ve been reactive for years. Plus, Joe actually compliments them in his quote. Again, you’re overreacting.

            It’s called a backhanded compliment. Nothing they said was meant to be flattering. And we both know it. You don’t tender a harsh critique to someone, and then “tip your hat to them”. So where’s the “having fun with the interviewer” remark that you’ve been taking this whole time?

            And BTW, there are far from being the only statements that both Axel and Joe Q have made. Oh, and I forgot to put Brevoort on the list as well.

            Sebastian Stan – “I would say we’re still making something very original in our own way. I mean, the Russos are coming in and taking something people are used to and they’re shaping it up and changing it in a very different way. They’re not trying to mimic a better Christopher Nolan movie or something like that.” lol I love this comment because it’s true. Plus, Stan was simultaneously defending his employer AND retaliating at Zack Snyder’s diss about Ant-Man when he called it the “Flavor of the Month” Marvel movie.

            I like how you chopped his statement up. Anything to make it sound better, huh?

            Anyways, He said he didn’t have to respond, but opted to do so anyway. Quite passive-aggressive. But I thought they were “having fun with the interviewer?”

            But why did he need to defend his billion dollar employer anyway? He wasn’t even in the freakin’ movie in question!! Why didn’t he take Snyder’s comment as just “having fun”, like you are trying to pass of their comments as being? Or is that more of your one-way logic?

            And nothing about what was said is “true” in the slightest. Unless Marvel is trying to “make a better Rami Spiderman”? Or does the logic not flow both ways?

            Frank Grillo – “If you have $15 left to your name, save it. Batman vs. Stupidman. Nobody’s gonna stop me, I’m Crossbones.” This was clearly Frank having fun with a room full of Marvel fans at some fan event. If it were a DC actor saying something about Marvel in a setting like this, the room would have reacted the same exact way. It’s a playful jab, nothing more.

            You’re so disingenuous. If a dozen people walk behind you, and slap you on the back of the head, and each one says “oh, I’m just playing!!” everytime, how many times does it need to happen, before YOU get offended by it?

            How’s about just not saying anything?

            And never mind Mackie, who went on Collider and went on an anti-MOS tirade. Or how he LIED about saying that none of his Marvel folk sit around talking about DC, which your posts alone prove otherwise.

            Or how the actress who plays Sif (forgot her name; that’s just how unimportant she is) tried to throw shade on WW.

            At the end of the day, your going to side with the studio that’s paying the bills. We’ve had Ben Affleck, Jason Momoa and Zack Snyder all join the Marvel diss parade recently, and it’s nothing more than playful jabs at one another. No one has explicitly come out and said that they wish failure on one another. It’s all for fun, and if you can’t see that, then you’re way too jaded and there’s no hope for you.

            Yeah, so I suppose when Brevoort wrote letters to various comic book shops, in hopes of convincing the managers to tear up DC books, and mail the covers to Marvel, in order to receive incentives to get more Marvel books…. Not once, but TWICE… This is an example of wanting your competitor to do better too, right? BTW, I notice you totally skipped over that example. I guess that didn’t fit into your “having fun with the interviewer” category.

            Marvel is a capitalist company. No company wants their competitor to succeed. The revenue that their competitor makes, is money that they’d much rather have in their own pockets. Weren’t you the one that gave the “100% vs 5%” analogy in the beginning?

            None of them are dumb enough to outright say “I want you to fail!!” because doing so would potentially cause their own failure.

  • Joseph Chaisson

    Come down to it, it’s about opinion. People fight because they want to claim their opinion is right and the others are wrong. In my opinion WB is strong with TV and Animation while Marvel properties tend to be strong (as a whole) in theatrical releases.
    There was 1 movie I was looking forward to and it was Deadpool. I loved it. i can not wait to see it again and again and again. I know some fans probably thought it looked horrible and was uninterested in the movie. I know some fans that look at BvS and SS the same way I look at Deadpool, and I look at BvS and SS the same way they looked at Deadpool.

    • SAMURAI36

      In my opinion WB is strong with TV and Animation while Marvel properties tend to be strong (as a whole) in theatrical releases.

      I’d add video games and collectibles to the DC list as well. And people need to remember, that DC was making movies, when Marvel was nowhere on the movie map. And, Marvel’s movie success is fairly recent; prior to the MCU, they had well over a dozen flops under their belt.

      • Joseph Chaisson

        That’s your opinion. WB/DC has not had a successful video game series till Arkham. In 16 bit days Spider-man and X-Men have had classic games. As well as Marvel legends tend to have better designs and build then DC.

        • SAMURAI36

          No more opinion than yours. The fact that you had to name games from 30 years ago, says quite alot. That’s like naming the Hulk on the list of successful Marvel TV shows, also from 30 years ago. You’d have been better off naming the Marvel/Capcom stuff as better examples.

          But to your point, DC has had success with video games before Arkham, such as the various Lego series, DCUO, and Injustice. All these were top rated games, while, even though Marvel has had nearly double the video game output as DC, they have had little to nothing that ranked that highly in the past decade.

          Also, for all your praise of Marvel Legends, it only received fair to mediocre ratings. And sadly, that was the highest ranked Marvel game in the past decade. And NONE of those Marvel games rank higher than DC’s best games, in terms of reception, and/or sales.

          Try again.

          • Joseph Chaisson

            All I know is you are a DC troll anything anti Marvel you are on the forefront and unable to have an unbiased opinion. Here are the list a great Marvel Games for you.
            Marvel:
            X-Men 2: Clone Wars
            X-Men
            Spider-Man /Venom: Maximum Carnage
            X-Men: Children of the Atom
            Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes
            Spider-Man 2
            X-Men Legends
            The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction

            DC
            Arkham A
            Arkham City
            Arkham Knight

          • SAMURAI36

            You sound like a fool. You call me a DC troll, and then hate on DC.

            Half of those games you named got terrible ratings. And even if the Arkham games are the only good DC games (which they’re not), those 3 games alone blow away the entire Marvel list you gave.

            NONE of those games made game of the year. NONE of them were top sellers.

            So now what’s your point?

          • Joseph Chaisson

            All you do is talk about how great DC is and how lame Marvel is. This is on a op-ed in which it’s talking about fans putting down the beef. You just add to the Beef. Yes the live action films as of late have been pretty blah. Nolan and Burton pretty much nailed Batman, while the first Superman is a classic. I can’t help it if my opinion is I look at BvS and SS as user whelming. And I’ve been looking forward to BvS since the early to mid 2000’s. You come on stating how great DC toys and video games are compared the Marvel and I mention Marvel has had a better track record then DC and the Legends toys are great figures. You then had to make a comment about how i was talking about video games from the 90’s (when in fact they run through out the 2000s as well.) All you do is pick fights trying to say how much better DC is with out any proof or merits. If someone shows you a reviews you immediately state they’re biased.
            You are a Brick wall that believes its a window and overtime someone shows that you are a brick wall you deny it.

          • SAMURAI36

            Sooooo… You’re mad because I’m cheering for my team, better than you’re cheering for yours? I don’t see you telling your fellow Marvel Zombies to chill out, when they make all sorts of erroneous & outlandish statements.
            Since you forgot the sequence of events here, YOU started this, not me. I merely added games & collectibles (not just toys, BTW) to DC’s list of successes, & you felt inclined to rebut. Which is fine for me, but when it doesn’t go your way, YOU resort to the name calling & ad hominem, not me.
            Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you accuse others. You are that brick wall that you are accusing me of being.

          • Joseph Chaisson

            I am not mad. I am stating facts. You claim I speak ill of DC. I don’t. I am saying the trailers appear to be lack luster a dull. I said DC does great in the animation department. You get defensive when someone calls you what you are, a troll, then you make some dumb comment calling fans Zombies. Marvel makes great movies. They have some faults to them but all in all they’re entertaining and well made. You’re just sad that DC last few attempts, besides Batman, has failed and BvS looks lackluster (even fans of the property are saying this) and SS, at least to me, looks on the same page as BvS.
            Like I said and have always stated, I’ve been waiting for a BvS for a while. But this one look underwhelming.
            You can go cry in your corner now and make any trollish comments you want. But I find it sad and pathetic that in an op ed in which it’s states the trolls from both side is dumb, you have to come on here and start stuff.
            I am honest with my opinion and say good things about the DC you have not make some dumb comment while still putting down Marvel.
            As I said before both properties have their strong points and weaknesses. Marvel has Movies and Games. DC has TV and Animation. You can;t even say one nice thing about Marvel. Which shows all you do is come on to these message boards to start crap with other users.
            I hope for you DCEU turns out well. Maybe then you can stop being a troll and finally admit both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses.

          • SAMURAI36

            Nothing you said means anything to me. Especially when you are accusing me of stuff that you are guilty of as well.

            I’m proud to fly the DC banner, just as as you clearly proud to ride with Marvel. I also don’t care that you like DC a little, and Marvel alot, or even vice versa.

            The difference is, I don’t have to resort to calling names the way you do. I’m talking about DC and Marvel, and you’ve spent the majority of your last response talking about ME.

            I’m not the one with the problem here, you are.

          • Joseph Chaisson

            I kill you with truth.

  • Whatsupdoc

    The Zack Snyder hate for example has become kinda ridiculous. It’s to the point now where it’s become the cool thing to do. I’ve never understood the idea of wishing ill will towards anyone.
    Marvel is on top of the world now, but at one point they were close to bankruptcy. DC was the darling of the movie industry during the Donner, Burton and Nolan days, but now they get more hate than any other company. It just goes to show that you can never take success for granted. So lets enjoy these movies in the now.

  • UnBoxingJon

    I’ve never seen more misspelled curse words and prolific illogical nonsense than when I type on the internet that Man of Steel was poorly reviewed by critics and that general audiences didn’t enjoy it either.

    • SAMURAI36

      Yes, and perhaps you should purview your very own comments for “prolific illogical nonsense”, when you make such a false claim.

      • UnBoxingJon

        Yeah, I’ll go purview that right away.

  • SAMURAI36

    Oh please. This was a completely nonsensical article. People act like DC vs Marvel fans are the Bloods vs the Crips. Nobody is dying, despite the “death threats” from fat, sweaty Nerds on the internet. Nobody is killing nobody, nobody beating up nobody. People need to boss up, and stop being hypersensitive.

    Also, there’s nothing wrong with the DC/Marvel rivalry. Competition is what keeps both parties sharp. But, I am glad that the author recognized that we are perfectly within our rights to dislike one company over another.