DC Films Producers Back “Great” Zack Snyder

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Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad both failed to impress critics, but that hasn’t seemed to dent Warner Bros. plans for their comic properties. DC Films producers Charles Roven and Richard Suckle talked with the Wall Street Journal, and they backed both their vision for the shared universe and under fire director Zack Snyder.

Most criticised Batman v Superman for a lack of humour, which resulted in a dreary film. While the response led to a fan petition to have Snyder sacked from Justice League, the producers don’t seem worried about the direction they are taking. While they listen to criticism, they seem to be sticking to their guns.

Roven said, “You need to pay attention [to criticism], but you also need to stay true to your vision, Zack Snyder is a great director.”

That doesn’t mean that things are going to be the same moving forward. We’ve already seen an extra dash of humour in Justice League, apparently that was a decision by Snyder to move towards a different tone. Having shot two actino heavy films, he’s now switching things up with the humour of Barry Allen.

“I think one of the things Zack really wanted to do, because everybody knows that Zack certainly has an ability to shoot action, was to just say, ‘Hey, I can do this, too,’” Roven said. “It doesn’t have to be all action. These characters are going to be different once they begin to interact with each other.”

Hopefully the negative feedback over the DC releases which enraged so many will prove useful. Roven did say that they have listened to the problems people had with their releases. Roven added, “We did take into consideration some of the things that we learned from some of the comments about Batman v Superman.”

Source: WSJ

Aaron Rogan

Aaron Rogan

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  • Calum Sanderson

    “the negative feedback over the DC releases which enraged so many”

    No, just enraged entitled idiots. There’s worse things going on in the world.

    • Jago Hara-Kiri

      worst things like marveltards being heard like they r the voice of god

      • Marquis de Sade

        Have a care, foolish dc fangurl…for it is unwise to fan the embers of the MARVEL FANGODS’ WRATH!

        • Technofied

          You are one irritating lifeless bast*rd..

          • SAMURAI36

            LMAO. I keep telling folks to block him.

          • JMMagwood

            Marvel fanboys are like a creature out of a bad horror film. If you ignore them, they usually die off.

          • Marquis de Sade

            Marvel Fanboys are ETERNAL! WE ARE LEGION! WE ARE YOUR BETTERS!

          • Marquis de Sade

            What can I say, it’s a gift?

          • JMMagwood

            LOL

        • Jago Hara-Kiri

          wow a truly marveltard shows up congrats m8 , u suck!!

        • vindex

          TFW you like both, but the fanboy fights are a too much great show to not make your popcorn bucket go empty.

  • michael kelly

    I do think Zach is great visually, and I loved 300 and Watchman. I just think he is wrong for Superman. Two scenes bothered me, and still do from MoS. Him spearing Zod through the gas station where we saw the family van getting fuel and him not saving his Dad. The first one you could put down to rage because of his Mam being attacked. But the second I could never understand… I would never let my father died and I’m far from a Superman.

    • SAMURAI36

      If you can understand the first one, then why does it bother you? And for the second one, would you disobey your dad in that situation?

      • michael kelly

        For the first one, it just bothered me watching it thinking that people died in the station. He could of drove him through those concrete Mills and it wouldn’t of bothered me. I felt the director had him go through the station for the big explosion, and that bothers me. I could be wrong but it’s just how I felt. I have a great relationship with my dad, but sometimes we don’t agree. Him asking me not to save his life is something I could never agree with. Don’t get me wrong, I liked MoS, there was just a few scenes that didn’t sit well with me. Just my opinion, man.

        • SAMURAI36

          I won’t split hairs with you over the second point. It is a bit tough to swallow.

          As for the first one, how are you going to react, if someone tries to harm your very dad that you mentioned?

          I don’t really get why people think Superman (especially a very novice one at that) is above blind fits of rage. People want to humanize the character, but at the same time want him to act “Godly” at all times too. You can’t have it both ways.

        • RS

          About the tornado scene, I can relate to Clark in that situation, if my father say that to me, I will trust him and obey his decision. Because there was so much at risk, for the last 20 years he work so hard to keep Clark safe.. He died protecting his son. That said a lot of the relation. I would do that for my son without hesitation and I will expect that my son respect my decision. I understand why you have issues with that scene but damn, that scene breaks my heart every time. As a father I will do the same thing Jonathan Kent did, and as a son, I will to the same thing Clark did. But that’s just my opinion ?

          • If your father chose to kill himself in a tornado, he’d be a suicidal idiot. Better to protect someone like that and get them help so they can realize that their lives still have value and that people need them.

          • SAMURAI36

            Excellent post. None of the folks on here are parents, hence the reason they can’t relate.

          • Bruce Norris

            What?! How can you know that? Question: “Doesn’t Superman ALWAYS look for a “Better way”?

          • SAMURAI36

            Hmm. I wonder how I could possibly know that…. I wonder if there was a HINT in my last comment, that would lead anyone to that conclusion for themselves.

          • Bruce Norris

            I’m a parent…and…I’m here.

        • 12stepCornelius

          You’re missing the whole point of the movie. It’s supposed to make you question morals and ethics. You’re supposed to think, “Wow, people may have died in that gas station from their battle.” The whole point of the DCEU is to present to the audience, superheroes that live in a world of consequence. There’s plenty of challenging subject matter in the DC movies.

          And the thing with Pa Kent; again, its supposed to get you thinking of family values and what those mean. This is why the movie is so divisive. There are some that see it one way, and then there are those who understand these underlying themes and purposes in the movie.

  • Carl

    A problem I see here is that they still think Zack Snyder is a great director. They also think that BvS had a lot of action…bat mobile chase scene, Batman fighting superman, Batman in warehouse and the Doomsday fight. That’s 4 action scenes in a 2.5 – 3 hours movie.

    • Marquis de Sade

      Check my post above.

      • Carl

        Saw that already. Pretty damning if it’s true. I can’t see how there isn’t a toxic environment over at WB when Synder hasn’t taken the fall yet.

        • Marquis de Sade

          Yeah, I see the “OPEN” letter is starting to make the rounds on all the usual sites, stirring speculation and debate. Should be entertaining reading all the commrnts.

    • SAMURAI36

      BVS had the appropriate amount of action for a film of its type.

      • Carl

        Of course you think that. It’s a superhero movie, which should have plenty of action. Man of Steel had plenty of great action. I didn’t like a lot of the story and character choices but it’s now the best DCEU movie to me.

        • SAMURAI36

          How much action did TDK trilogy have?

          • Carl

            A good amount as far as I can remember. Haven’t watched TDK in awhile but there was the Joker robbery, Batman fighting some guys in a parking garage, the big Batmobile Joker chase, I think another Batmobile scene, Batman snatching that Asian guy, Batman going after the Joker at the end, and other stuff I forgot.

            Oh I did forget the Bruce Wayne rushing into Metropolis from BvS.

            There just wasn’t enough action spread around BvS considering it had 3 superheroes in it. That’s probably why it felt so slow.

          • SAMURAI36

            Perhaps you need to watch ALL these films again.

            What about the Knightmare scene? Or the Africa scene? TDK has about the same amount of action that BVS did, +/-.

          • Carl

            Oh yeah, forgot the Knightmare scene. It was totally irrelevant. There wasn’t really any action in Africa just a lot of murder. Maybe it’s that the action just isn’t any good so it’s just forgettable.

            I caught the last 25 minutes of SS. That was some garbage action there. Everyone just flailing around trying to not die. Diablo out of nowhere transforms but just pushes that CGI mess around so he can be blown up with a bomb underneath. Enchantress then takes all their weapons away with magic so I’m not sure why she didn’t start with that. Somehow she can’t see the Katana at Harley’s feet. They blow up the dumb portal thing with another bomb. The whole finale could have been resolved with a rocket launcher. lol

          • SAMURAI36

            Oh yeah, forgot the Knightmare scene. It was totally irrelevant. There wasn’t really any action in Africa just a lot of murder. Maybe it’s that the action just isn’t any good so it’s just forgettable.

            Leave it to you, to move the goal posts. Now you’re just making up excuses as to why you were wrong.

            I caught the last 25 minutes of SS.

            I didn’t even bother to read anything you said after this. I’m going to give you an opportunity to tell me why I didn’t.

          • Carl

            Because you’re a jerk.

          • SAMURAI36

            Try again. And be honest with yourself this time.

          • Carl

            Because you’re a jerk and a fool.

          • Carl

            Because you did read it and are in denial about the truth.

          • SAMURAI36

            *SIGH* If that’s the way you wanna play it…

            I didn’t bother reading it, because as someone who started out claiming that you’d only watched HALF (even though you claimed it was MOST) of the film, but still felt compelled to offer a critique on something that you didn’t complete.

            And now, you claimed to have watched “the last 25 mins” of the film. That’s a whole half an hour that you didn’t watch, and yet you still feel the need to critique a film that you haven’t completely watched.

            It don’t believe you watched any of this film, to be honest. But even if you did, and even if I had 444 f&cks, I promise you that I wouldn’t give .0004th of a f&ck about anything you have to say about it.

            Talking about being in denial, if you think that anyone else here is listening to anything you have to say about this film, then perhaps you should reach for one of those orange bottles in your medicine cabinet, and take one of the treats inside.

          • Wheez Von Klaw

            The dream sequence was hilarious. I like the soldiers dropping to the knee stance to shoot him point blank. Lol!

            It was like Alice in Wonderland with an in the closet wanna be Californian Meathead shooting it.

    • DarkoCool

      The action in had was fine although I would have loved more.

  • Marquis de Sade
    • fox

      “Insider news”…LOL. A letter from some bitter hack who lost her job @ WB from a completely “credible” source like Vulture.

      • SAMURAI36

        True indeed. And not only that, but that “letter” has been debunked by two of the best in the industry:

        https://twitter.com/markhughesfilms/status/763919974297501696

        And…

        https://twitter.com/elmayimbe/status/764208124534272001

      • xxjinzaxx

        1) One thing that doesn’t seem to matter is the possibility that Vulture could have crafted this letter for clicks. Why? Because negative articles against Suicide Squad aren’t working for them as they’d hope. WB wins.

        2) Or. . .WB crafted the letter themselves to keep the conversation going about the studio and the products under the WB umbrella. A brilliant marketing campaign. WB still wins.

        When the good guys chirp, nobody listens. But when the baddies get on their soap box, everyone’s all ears. No matter how you look at it, this is still good publicity for WB.

        Besides, that letter has time inconsistencies, and only rabies-infected brains are falling for it.

        • You should eat less paint chips.

          • xxjinzaxx

            No worries. None left. You ate them all.

          • JMMagwood

            Your assertion about rabies is proven when characters like that go on the attack. Good post!

          • SAMURAI36

            Nice.

          • Marquis de Sade

            LOL! ok, now that was funny.

  • UnBoxingJon

    I think AutoCorrect accidentally changed it. What he was trying to say was “Zack Snyder is a director.”

  • rogbngp

    I do admire that the DCEU brass is sticking to its guns overall with the vision it has for this film universe, though. Which is basically Zack Snyder’s brainchild. Yes, WB’s execs reactively and unwisely edited BvS and SS both to their detriment, acting out of fear in response to the critical reception to BvS. But the overall tone of the DCEU being a mythically dark, mysterious, and ominous feeling place where the unexpected can occur is brilliant and badly needed in contrast to the MCU. The DCEU takes risks! That is refreshing and energizing. The definition of risk is that a good deal of the time things will not turn out exactly as one would hope. But in the balance it is a strength that the DCEU is bold and creative in its approach, and that WB for the most part allows their directors to work as autuers. And again, when the studio steps in out of panic to try to correct what they anticipate as problems with audience and critic reaction, they just mess things up more anyway… If WB comes away with a lesson from their editing of SS, I think it will be to probably interfere less in post-production as they move forward with the other films. Because each time they have done it with BvS and now with SS their interference has had spectacularly bad results, at least as measured by the RT tomato-meter. On a related subject, I really wonder how well the whole “test audience” thing is working for the DCEU. Maybe they need to rethink that method of developing their films, or at least put a little less stock in it. Maybe that model doesn’t work so hot for films that are on the creatively edgy, risk-taking side.

    • Marquis de Sade

      *stifling laughter*

      Oh the lengths you dc fangurls go to in order to over-think and hyper-rationalize dceu’s ineptitude + y’all’s propensity to equate ham-fisted pseudo-contrarianism with “EDGY” and “RISK”.

      • rogbngp

        Despite your baiting here (although I don’t doubt your conviction), it appears we will have to “agree to disagree.” That’s the best you got in terms of substance, though?

        • Marquis de Sade

          Oh dear no, I reserve the best for Sammy-rai and his evil cheerleading squad.

        • Marquis de Sade

          Oh dear no, I reserve the best for Sammy-rai and his evil cheerleading squad.

      • rogbngp

        Btw, I do love the MCU as well. But I need a contrast to it. I’ll use a food analogy. MCU films are like tasty fast food to me where I know exactly what to expect from the meal, and it is amazingly consistent in terms of the quality according to those extremely well researched flavors and formula for making the product. But I also like being surprised by a more complex meal with unexpected flavors and textures. I might not always totally love the meal the first time. But because it is more sophisticated I develop a taste for it for being unusual, and challenging me more. The more times I have it, the more I’m won over by it. It has a lot to do with expectations for what a CBM “should” be which is something the Disney/MCU has gotten down to a science. To use another analogy, when I open a brand new book I’m going to enjoy it the most when I’m willing and prepared to go where the book takes me. Versus being able to predict what will happen next.

        • rogbngp

          So I guess I’m either an “overthinker” and “hyper-rationalizer” or someone aspiring to be more of a connoisseur in terms of appreciation for CBMs. Choose your interpretation, nothing I can do about how others see it.

        • Marquis de Sade

          “MCU films are like tasty fast food to me where I know exactly what to expect from the meal, and it is amazingly consistent in terms of the quality according to those extremely well researched flavors and formula for making the product.”

          Yeah, well too bad I can’t say the same thing for dceu. I tend to find their offerings coarse and too tart for my palate…where as, Marvel’s cuisine is an epicurean delight.
          Twould appear, you, like Sammy-rai has a sweet tooth for mediocrity and the tastebuds of a Philistine.

          • Bruce Norris

            How did he (Marquis) get to say all that and I get deleted A LOT here ?!?!

          • Marquis de Sade

            Maybe you cuss too much.

    • SAMURAI36

      Good post. Although, are you aware the Ayer basically debunked the whole notion of WB editing interfence?

      • rogbngp

        Yeah, I actually don’t believe Ayer because to me what he says doesn’t really add up. By his own admission he says he filmed a linear version of the story that shows the characters in much greater depth and detail by giving their backstories, and presumably sets up each act better. And according to Leto they shot a ~sh*t ton~ of Joker footage. I think Ayer is playing the good solider and taking the hit for the team by saying it’s the version he wanted to release. I don’t believe that for a second. he knew it couldn’t be an R film but I’ll bet he was hovering right up on the edge of that rating with the Joker stuff. Honestly, if he’s telling the truth then he’s not a very good director because the editing and narrative flow is not good. The film manages to be entertaining because the characters are fun and they are really well acted. Anyway, it’s probably smart politics of Ayer to do what he’s done here by taking the position that it’s his version. (Especially after what happened to Josh Trank after FF, lol. Although for all I know Trank’s version of FF was worse that the theater release.)

        • SAMURAI36

          Yeah, I actually don’t believe Ayer because to me what he says doesn’t really add up. By his own admission he says he filmed a linear version of the story that shows the characters in much greater depth and detail by giving their backstories, and presumably sets up each act better. And according to Leto they shot a ~sh*t ton~ of Joker footage.

          You are aware that ALL films are overshot, yes? There’s always a “sh*t ton” of footage that ends up on the floor. ALWAYS. Some of it you know about, some of it you don’t. Some of it you see, some of it you don’t. Some of it adds to the film, some of it doesn’t.

          The point is, you never really know. But there’s really no reason not to believe Ayer, since he’s already said that the home video release will be pretty much what we got in the theaters.

          I don’t think this is a BVS type of thing at all. They specifically told us that there would be different cuts/ratings for the BVS home video release. But I guess we’ll see.

          I think Ayer is playing the good solider and taking the hit for the team by saying it’s the version he wanted to release. I don’t believe that for a second. He knew it couldn’t be an R film, but I’ll bet he was hovering right up on the edge of that rating with the Joker stuff–and what he wanted to do was a lot darker than what the studio decided it wanted in the wake of the reaction to BvS. Honestly, if Ayer is telling the truth then he’s not a very good director (or he sucks at editing) because the editing and narrative flow is not good. The film manages to be entertaining because the characters are fun and they are really well acted–despite he poor editing.

          Except editing is not up to him, nor is the rating. Both of which he specifically stated as well. Or do you think he’s lying about that as well?

          I personally didn’t have all that much of a problem with the editing. But, what I do think is that the customer at the restaurant is being allowed to see how the food is made, far more than they should be.

          We live in a world where social media walks us thru every single step of the creation process, to the point that the mystique of the process is all but gone, and we’ve been flooded with a wave of armchair movie directors.

          Anyway, it’s probably smart politics of Ayer to do what he’s done here by taking the position that it’s his version. (Especially after what happened to Josh Trank after FF, lol. Although for all I know Trank’s version of FF was worse than the theater release.)

          And that’s precisely the point. You’ll never really know. And you’re really not even supposed to.

          Our job is to enjoy the product, not dissect it to see how it was made.

          • rogbngp

            Well, at this point I’m sharing my speculation, hunches, and best guesses until we get a definitive source for a lot of these things that I’m proposing. And yep, I’m well aware that re-shoots are standard practice. To my eye the whole thing just doesn’t read right to me or “add up” as it is being presented. But all of my ‘evidence’ (for lack of a better term) is circumstantial and based on inference. I acknowledge that I could be wrong. Just sharing my gut about what actually happened. For me the film manages to be highly entertaining DESPITE what I see as extremely poor setup (in some cases non-existent) for many parts of the story, and not including much more of the backstories for the characters that were reportedly shot. This is again my speculation, and take it as nothing more: But If the reports about the amount of material that did not make it into the film are accurate (this from actors and even Ayer himself), AND had they presented the film in a more linear framework, I think that presented them with 1) a serious length problem (film would have been too long), and 2) the unused Joker footage hovered much too close to an R rating–it was too dark in tone for the lighter feel they decided during post-production that they wanted to use in the wake of the reaction to BvS. All I’m really saying is that if it turns out that I’m right about that, I want to see a much longer, more linear cut that shows the backstories for all the characters, and gives us much more Joker and Harley. If it gets rated R because of more disturbing content, no problem. But that’s what I want to see released on blu ray as an alternative to the theater release. My guess is that I am not alone in that.

  • Darthmanwe

    This thing’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better. ( I mean the fan wars over this DC debacle)

    At one point, I fully expect the fan communities imploding on themselves, bringing down that dreaded superhero bubble burst on themselves. This much vitriol flying all around…

    People, everything ends. Everything. Please stop.

    I don’t want to be forced to watching crappy buddy cop movies or chick flicks for the next 50 years after you idiots destroy the geek market altogether.

    • SAMURAI36

      The thing is, the fire is all but extinguished on this dumb story. This story isn’t getting the traction that the writer of the “letter” had hoped.

      In a week or so, this will be all but forgotten.

      • Wheez Von Klaw

        Considering that BvS is one of the worst blockbusters ever made, you’re completely wrong.

        There is a book being written about it.

        Probably a documentary on what went wrong too.

    • SAMURAI36

      But yeah, you are right though. The fans do more harm to this genre, than any studio could possibly do.