Geoff Johns Aims To Bring “Hope And Optimism” to DC Films

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Yesterday, Warner Bros. announced an executive shake up with their numerous film slates. New heads were set for Harry Potter/LEGO films as well as the comedy and sci-fi/action flicks – but of course, the most newsworthy was with the appointing of Jon Berg and Geoff Johns as they have gained more influence over the DC Extended Universe following the fallout from the reception to Zack Snyder’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, which Warner Bros. felt underperformed.

According to VultureJohns hasn’t confirmed this news, but still gave this response:

You can connect the dots. 

Johns was upfront about where he feels DC’s future needs to go, and per Vulturehe kept repeating this phrase:

Hope and optimism.

Johns also gave his perspective on Superman – who has been depicted in both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman in a different light than what many fans would have preferred:

I think people make a mistake when they say, “Superman’s not relatable because he’s so powerful,” he said. I’m like, “Are you kidding me?” He’s a farmboy from Kansas who moves to the city and just wants to do the best he can with what he’s got.’ That’s the most relatable character in the world.”

This is an encouraging perspective from Johns, since the DCEU as of late have been criticized for being too dower and brooding. I feel that these statements should fill fellow comic book movie fans with the hope that this universe will represent the characters as they should be. Even as someone who found enjoyment in Batman v Superman, I still feel that there is still more work and course-correction to be done, and Johns’ “Hope and optimism” for the direction excites me. Here’s to Suicide Squad!

What do you guys think of Johns’ position in the DCEU? Sound of in the comments below.

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Source: Vulture

Noah Villaverde

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  • He still has the stain of Green Lantern on his resume.

    Therefore… he has a lot to prove before he should be trusted in a “Kevin Feige” type role at DC. It’s amazing to me that so many fanboys want him given Green Lantern being the absolute worst superhero film made this side of the Ghost Rider films.

    • Kelly

      That’s funny. I don’t recall Johns writing, scripting, or directing that movie.

      • No, but he approved all of the creative decisions.

        So space poo-cloud Parallax? Had to pass through Johns’s hands at some point.

        Combining Krona and Parallax? Johns had to have signed-off on it.

        The script? Johns had input.

        The horrible animated uniforms? Yep.

        By necessity, blockbuster film making involving Intellectual Properties is a process by committee, and Johns, because of his success in relaunching and driving Green Lantern in the comics, had a big voice at the table.

        • Seb

          I liked the animated costumes, sold them as ring constructs rather than just fabric.

          • Or you could actually have them as ring constructs that look enough like clothes.

            At one point after absorbing Ion, Kyle could create “real” constructs, with actual color, not just green constructs. It’s not out of the realm of believably that their uniform would materialize and appear to be fabric.

          • Maximillian Pegasus

            Nothing had to go through him, he just gave ideas to the screenwriter, it’s not like he was overseeing the project.

            Also, have you read any Geoff Johns Green Lantern comic? They’re amazing, as all the other stuff he does, Teen Titans, The Flash and Justice League.

          • SAMURAI36

            I’d add JSA, Aquaman, & Shazam to that list.

          • SAMURAI36

            Except according to the comics, the black aspects of the uniforms are devoid of light. There’re not supposed to look like clothes.

        • Kelly

          He couldn’t approve anything. What kind of influence do you think he had in Hollywood?
          All he could is give advice and suggestions. I doubt he suggested the Parallax cloud.

        • Victor Thomas

          He was in no shape or form in charge in that situation, he made suggestions and that’s all, he had no control over the product. Kevin Feige has to greenlight everything for Marvel,If he doesn’t agree with your vision he goes to someone else, it really isn’t the same thing. Martin Campbell and Greg Berlanti are to blame for Green Lantern.

        • SAMURAI36

          No he didn’t, & he & Guggenheim spoke on it about a year ago.

        • Johnny Risko

          I think its funny when you think you know what you’re talking about .

  • Joseph Chaisson

    What good has Johns done?

    • flavortang

      What good has any of us done? I fart in my neighbor’s mailbox for god’s sake.

      • Joseph Chaisson

        You’re adding surprise to someone’s life. Surprises are good therefore that is good.

        • GRKDC

          Just wiki his name he has a lot under his plate.
          With writing comics, working on the DC tv shows I don’t I just quickly googled it to read more about it.

    • Plays With Squirrels

      His Aquaman run is very good, Justice League is good sometimes too big of a scope for me and his Green Lantern made the character cool for me.

    • SAMURAI36

      Are you seriously asking what Johns has done? Are you really not familiar with his resume?

  • unpaidpundit

    If DC movies had more jokes and didn’t take themselves so seriously, the critics would like them more, because critics don’t take the superhero genre seriously.

    • flavortang

      Sad but true.

    • Victor Thomas

      I disagree the dark knight trilogy had just as much jokes as BVS. Just because a critic or critics like or dislike a movie doesn’t make it law. There was a lot of fans that disliked BVS(including me) and humor wasn’t the issue. It was a poorly made movie when everything’s said and done, I don’t need any humor in my DC movies but I like my heroes being heroic. I loved Ben Affleck as Batman but to no fault of his own there were a lot of moments where Batman wasn’t really Batman. Overall the movie felt like a 2 1/2 hour trailer for Justice League which it shouldn’t have been, I’ve read Marvel and DC my entire life. DC cleary has better characters and stories they didn’t need to catch up to Marvel, I think a lot of people confuse Ticket sales with everyone in the world watching Marvel movies, when in reality that format/style of movie isn’t for everyone. I like a hand full of Marvel movies but I don’t any of them were competition for DC except Civil War but they’re 8 years deep into their universe, I think that most people want the characters they know and love done Justice(no pun intended) I’m one of the few but I loved Jesse Eisenberg’s acting performance but there is nothing that makes me think of Lex Luthor, If you’re making an adaptation it’s important to have relevance. Michael Shannon’s Zod was truly Zod brought to life(also 10x better than the richard donner version) I don’t understand why they don’t strive for all the characters to be themselves. Also the main problem is the technical side, Snyder made a bad film.

      • Steve Steve

        The Dark Knight Trilogy were hardly superhero movies, compared to what we see today. They were able to be more serious because they didn’t involve any fantastic powers or abilities. They were pure crime noir.

        Superman, however, cannot be done in TDK world. Nolan himself didn’t want Superman in that world.

        • Victor Thomas

          So because Batman has no superpowers, his movie isn’t considered a superhero movie or comic book movies? that’s utterly ridiculous.He’s a superhero from a comic book I don’t know why everyone has to come up with excuses for people who didn’t like the movie. People thought it was a bad film not because it wasn’t funny or Marvel enough but because they thought it was a bad film. You wanna debate those details? fine let’s go but don’t act like you know why people didn’t like the film.

          • Steve Steve

            I didn’t say any of that. All I’m saying is that Nolan’s films are a different type of film (Michael Mann crime noir). They cannot be compared to the MCU, DCEU or any other super-hero movie.

    • GRKDC

      Pretty much. :/

    • SAMURAI36

      Yeah, people take jokes seriously, & serious stuff as a joke. What a backwards world we live in right now.

      • xxjinzaxx

        That’s the truth, homeboy

  • capwulf

    Dour not dower. Not trying to be a jerk, but I want you guys to be taken seriously. Misspelled words won’t cut it.

    • SAMURAI36

      This is like the Bleeding Fool of movie coverage.

  • Steve Steve

    Holy crap! Johns doesn’t know it, but his comments just slapped ole Sour Sammy across the face like a wet fish! I’m almost happier about that than I am about Johns taking over!

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    • Marquis de Sade

      Oh I’m sure ol’ SAMMY-RAI will spin this like he does everything else regarding dceu. LOL!

    • SAMURAI36

      Let the record show, that the original article has been edited to say:

      *This article has been updated to clarify that Johns was speaking primarily about DC’s comics output.

      You idiots really need to learn how to read.

      • Steve Steve

        That does not change the fact that his perspective on the characters is in direct conflict with the presentation of them in the DCEU. He will never openly criticize the movies made by the organization that employs him. He will quietly (if obviously) make adjustments to future films to bring them more in line with his vision.

        Also, you are criticizing me for contradicting your comment that was made ELEVEN HOURS AFTER my comment. You’re grasping at straws good Sammy.

        • SAMURAI36

          Every point that you are attempting to make here, is a non-starter.
          1) It’s already been stated that everyone involved with the DCEU are shocked by the negative response for the film, so that says that Johns doesn’t have an issue with the way it was developed. Therefore, there’s clearly nothing for him to criticize.
          2) Johns openly praised BVS prior to its release, saying he was “very proud” of the film that he helped create. Why would it stand in contradiction, if he said such things?
          3) After I’ve had time to think about it, I really think WB appointing Johns to a “head” role, was really more about appeasing the fans (re: shutting them up) about mot having a Kevin Feige, than it was out of any real necessity for any such position. The reality is, most people don’t know, understand, or even care how movies get made. As I tried to point out to you previously, ALL movies are created by committee, despite what Marvel tries to tell it’s cult of followers. And that includes Marvel & Feige. It’s NEVER a one-man show.
          Especially since no one as of yet, has been able to demonstrate what the difference is between then & now, with Johns. No one knows, because A) no one knew then, & B) no one knows now. Because, as I said, people don’t know or understand the studio process. Even the armchair people (like many on this site, yourself included) who pretend to know, really don’t.
          4) LOL at you trying to justify your ignorance. If I was able to go back & review the info, then you could too. Especially if you cared enough to speak ad nauseam on the topic.
          Most of you guys don’t really care about the DCEU enough to be I formed about it. You just wanna moan & groan about it, cuz that’s where your pleasure derives.
          Well, haters gonna hate, & b!tches gonna b!tch.

          • Steve Steve

            Apparently the spam police have prevented my reply again. This site sucks balls

          • Steve Steve

            I hate you Heroic Hollywood Disqus!

          • Steve Steve

            Your refusal to accept any information other than what is publicly released by WB is shockingly naive.

            1) Public statements from people within an organization are not meant to be honest. They are meant to represent the company perspective.

            2) Further to the previous point, Johns must maintain a good relationship with all of these people. Even silence from him would convey an indictment of the film.

            Also, Cameron publicly praised Genisys prior to its release, demonstrating the meaninglessness of public statements.

            3) After you’ve had time to rationalize this information, and configure it into your personal narrative, you’ve concluded that you were right all along. Surely WB did not conclude that their cinematic universe management was flawed and required a central leader. The reported new alignment is remarkably similar to how Marvel Studios was structured in the early days. Berg and Johns are not unlike Connors and Feige. One business man, paired with one creative leader to usher a burgeoning universe forward.

          • SAMURAI36

            Your refusal to accept any information other than what is publicly released by WB is shockingly naive.

            Really? This is the sword you’re choosing to die on? Mr “Feige is the man with the plan for Marvel”?

            1) Public statements from people within an organization are not meant to be honest. They are meant to represent the company perspective.

            See above.

            2) Further to the previous point, Johns must maintain a good relationship with all of these people. Even silence from him would convey an indictment of the film.

            Sooo, the only alternative to accepting what people say at face value, is creating an unsubstantiated narrative? Nice.

            Also, Cameron publicly praised Genisys prior to its release, demonstrating the meaninglessness of public statements.

            Is there a point you’re trying to make with this. T-Gen was a pretty decent movie, and the audience reviews pretty much reflect this.

            3) After you’ve had time to rationalize this information, and configure it into your personal narrative,

            And this is why I stopped talking to you before. Statements like this demonstrate that you have a lack of introspection, as you level accusations at people that you yourself are feloniously guilty of.

            you’ve concluded that you were right all along. Surely WB did not conclude that their cinematic universe management was flawed and required a central leader.

            Do you have EVIDENCE that anything you’re saying is accurate? Because I do, to the contrary. You put your FACTS on the table, and I’ll put up mine. We’ll see who’s on the winning end.

            But we already know the answer to that, don’t we? Because we’ve danced this dance before, and you weren’t up to the task then. You didn’t even know how a committee was run. And, if I’m not mistaken, you didn’t even know about the MCC, until I told you about it.

            And, you’re still the guy that probably still thinks that Geoff Johns was talking about the movies in this article, despite EVERY OTHER SITE BUT THIS ONE correcting their articles.

            The reported new alignment is remarkably similar to how Marvel Studios was structured in the early days. Berg and Johns are not unlike Connors and Feige. One business man, paired with one creative leader to usher a burgeoning universe forward.

            Yes it is, but so what? The MCC was also not unlike the DC Braintrust either. But I didn’t see you complaining about that Marvel was hiring janky mid-tier comic book writers to write scripts for movies, and those movies suffered tremendously.

            Which movies were those? Oh, that’s right, you don’t know.

            And NONE of this changes the fact that the DC Brain Trust is still in effect, the same way that the MCC was still in effect, up until just a year ago. And guess what? All Feige did, was trade the MCC for another group under his auspice. So now, Marvel is set up precisely like DC, and vice versa.

            Happy now?

          • Steve Steve

            Corporate statements and public statements made by employees are all bent to serve the best interests of the organization. Feige is constantly credited by people who have no obligation to do so (actors, writers, crew, etc). Unless, I suppose, you believe that Feige has made these people credit him. The other contributors are occasionally mentioned as well (D’Espisito and the other dudes whose names I cannot remember or find quickly).

            It is madness that you trust WB when they issue statements, but not Marvel. I don’t trust any company statements, but I do trust Feige when he speaks. And, I do trust the dozens of actors, writers, crew, media, etc. when they mention names.

            The alternative to trusting company statements is an educated guess based on environmental conditions. Do you trust the companies you may invest in when they make public statements, or do you trust the evidence around their business to guide decisions with your money?

            Genisys was good huh? I guess it will probably end up with similar audience grades to BVS in a year’s time so you better lay the groundwork for your “standards.”

            Evidence:
            a)Entertainment is a business of perception over reality. Customers must perceive value before they devote time/money.
            b)Public perception was mixed for MOS, but generally poor for BVS based on audience ratings and the poor global box-office holds.
            c)WB has traditionally prided themselves on their talent-focused mandate, which requires there be minimal influence over film projects.
            d)Logic dictates that WB would not alter their regular process for movie-making and would seek to succeed in the manner they have previously. (minimal influence over actors directors)
            e)WB was unable to launch a shared universe for their DC characters for over 30 years, and did not do so until Marvel Studios accomplished the feat.
            f)The success of Avengers in 2012, and the impending slate of Marvel films likely formed the basis for WB’s plan to “jump-start” a cinematic universe with a single cross-over film.
            g)WB presented the DC slate during an investors meeting (later leaked to the public). This shocking indifference to the DC fan community suggested an unfortunate disconnect between WB executives and CBM fans.
            h)WB produced BvS with Zack Snyder’s vision, but was forced to (at least somewhat) compromise the vision to cut the film to a more-manageable length and PG-13 rating. This demonstrates there was a lack of organization around the film from it’s inception, further demonstrating a lack of leadership.
            i)Until the recent reports of Geoff Johns’ ascension to head of DC films, WB had failed to present a leadership group to the public. They have yet to acknowledge the restructuring at all!
            j)The restructuring is a clear demonstration that WB did not consider their current model to be the optimal model and have wisely made adjustments.

            You keep mentioning the MCC like it was some revelation. Everybody who cared knew about the MCC. Once upon a time, I thought it was a good idea. As the MCU progressed, the MCC was obviously detrimental (Mediocre writing, Wheedon comments, the eventual dissociation).

            I did read the updated Vulture article. It was about how Johns views the characters, specifically Superman. If his influence really has been increased, (and this isn’t a smoke-show) his DCEU will be quite different from what it is now.

            I wish I could give credit, but I forgot the original source of this theory… The DCEU is currently positioned to brighten its narrative BECAUSE of the negative tones thus-far. I think that is a valid and interesting direction to go. It would validate the existing movies, while adjusting to viewer complaints/apathy.

            I WAS complaining about Marvel and their sub-par writing. I thought IM2 and Thor2 were very disappointing and could have been much better in different circumstances. Thor 1, Ant-man & Cap 1 were flawed films, but deserve credit for their surprising mass-appeal. Avengers was a massive success, but was mostly pop-corn fair. IM3 and Avengers 2 are good films, that disappointed because of expectations. Winter Soldier and Guardians were both fantastic, beloved movies whether you like them or not. Civil War is a tremendous feat in cinematic storytelling, just for overcoming all of the hurdles associated with such a massive scope. Civil war is also widely liked both critically and by audiences.

            The ultimate reason why the MCU is so successful is that even the poor-to-average films are enjoyable on a superficial level. Audiences trust that their money will not be wasted. Not everyone has to like it, but most people have to be interested enough to buy tickets.

            The MCC is no-longer influencing the films (and so-far they are a raving success with CIvil War). One could refer to Feige and his group as the Marvel Brain Trust, like the new arrangement at DC with Johns and his group. This does make me happy. The difference is that you trusted what the previous DC arrangement would produce, while I did not.

          • SAMURAI36

            Corporate statements and public statements made by employees are all bent to serve the best interests of the organization. Feige is constantly credited by people who have no obligation to do so (actors, writers, crew, etc). Unless, I suppose, you believe that Feige has made these people credit him. The other contributors are occasionally mentioned as well (D’Espisito and the other dudes whose names I cannot remember or find quickly).

            And why is it that you can’t find them quickly? It’s because sites like this, and the “trades” don’t report on them. For that matter, those sites barely reported on the MCC. They were selling the “Feige as the one-man show”, back when the MCC was in full swing.

            AGAIN, you knew nothing about the MCC, till I told you about them. So once again, I’m asking you: why do you think that is?

            It is madness that you trust WB when they issue statements, but not Marvel. I don’t trust any company statements, but I do trust Feige when he speaks. And, I do trust the dozens of actors, writers, crew, media, etc. when they mention names.

            I’m gonna tell you this one more time: you don’t get to admonish me for things that you yourself do. This isn’t the first time I’ve told you this. Perhaps I’m saying it in a way that’s not pedestrian enough for you to fully comprehend. You’ve being a hypocrite, plain and simple.

            Further, you don’t know what my motivation for “trusting” Johns over Marvel people. You probably can’t comprehend half of my thought process, and that’s perfectly okay for me. But don’t try to pretend that you have a handle on it, because you don’t.

            The alternative to trusting company statements is an educated guess based on environmental conditions. Do you trust the companies you may invest in when they make public statements, or do you trust the evidence around their business to guide decisions with your money?

            Is this a rhetorical question? Because I’ve got the funny feeling, that whatever I say, you’re not going to agree with it.

            Genisys was good huh? I guess it will probably end up with similar audience grades to BVS in a year’s time so you better lay the groundwork for your “standards.”

            I have to do no such thing. Look at the audience reviews (not the critics, as I couldn’t give 4 f&cks about them) from any site that you wish to look at. If that’s not enough for you, then too bad.

            And guess what? It’s already been a year since that film came out. The reviews are exactly the same. So now what’s your point?

            Meanwhile, are you coming up with your “standards” for why you like Marvel’s drivel? Because most of their movies are terrible. They’re TV content is in the toilet, to the point that ABC is cancelling nearly all of it.

            Evidence:

            I’m not gonna go thru them all, because most of them are non-starters. But I will acknowlege the more relevant ones:

            b)Public perception was mixed for MOS, but generally poor for BVS based on audience ratings and the poor global box-office holds.

            FALSE. You (and others) keep singing this tune, apparently hoping that the more you sin

          • Steve Steve

            You keep repeating that I didn’t know about the Marvel Creative Committee before you told me about them. That is absolutely false, and I don’t know what you gain by repeating it. The difference we had on the subject was in how important it was to the development of the MCU.

            I love the grand statements of outrage crying hypocrite! I love the pontifications of great thought and un-equaled intelligence! Just do you Sammy, Just do you!

            Respond to my investment question. It is not rhetorical.

            Please forgive the ambiguous sentence structure. I meant to say that BVS will have similar audience reviews one year from its release as Genisys has now. Most sites are about the same so I use imdb for convenience and sample size. Genisys has an arithmetic mean of 6.8, while BVS has an arithmetic mean of 7.3 from users. Ratings usually drop over time, so it is reasonable to expect a ~7.0 arithmetic mean for BVS in a year’s time. That isn’t terrible, but fan ratings are almost always too high for films they like.

            I am not challenging your taste. I think it is great that you have entertainment you enjoy. I enjoy Marvel’s characters, I have done so my entire life. I grew up in the 80s/90s but I read mostly bronze-age comics. That greatly contributed to my tastes. My favorite character all-time is Conan. I especially like the Savage Sword magazine that adapted Robert Howard’s original stories.

            I will not ask you to justify your tastes, but I will offer comparisons for my rating of the recent CBM fair. I did not like the character work in MOS, but I would consider the film better than IH, IM2, both Thors, and Avengers 2. I enjoyed all of those movies as-much-or-more than MOS. Liking a movie and the movie being good are mutually exclusive concepts. I don’t respect the (apparent) fact your enjoyment of DC products requires that you decry Marvel films. There is no connection to be made between your favorite movies, and other people’s favorite movies.

            LOL. So my evidence is not worthy of your court huh? I figured. You just keep all of your secret information that proves you right hidden away. Now who’s the hypocrite?

            Man of Steel has an imdb arithmetic mean of 7.3. That is in the same realm as IM2(7.2), Thor(7.2), ASM1(7.2), IM3(7.4), Thor 2(7.3), Ant-Man(7.5). All of these films had mixed responses. MOS had a mixed response.

            MOS is decidedly lower than IM1(8.0), A1(8.2), CA2(7.9), GOTG(8.1), A2(7.6) and Cap3(8.4 {though surely to decline to around 8.1})

            BVS will end up in the realm of Incredible Hulk(7.0), ASM2(7.0), and Cap1(7.0 {though the vast discrepancy between domestic(7.2) and international(6.6) audiences suggests an anti-American bent that transcends the actual movie}). Perhaps you have fond memories of Incredible Hulk, but most people have forgotten it. That is the caliber of response that BVS was met with. BVS also broke the second weekend percentage decline record held previously by the odious Wolverine: Origins. That is not hallowed company.

            I don’t WANT BVS to be disliked by people. I disliked it. Many others disliked it. In my opinion DC should try something new. It appears that they intend to do so. I am happy to hear it.

            Go DC! Boo… Boo Sammy… Boo Wendy.

          • SAMURAI36

            You keep repeating that I didn’t know about the Marvel Creative Committee before you told me about them. That is absolutely false, and I don’t know what you gain by repeating it. The difference we had on the subject was in how important it was to the development of the MCU.

            It’s because, reinforcing reality with the facts is always a healthful endeavor. And notice, you couldn’t answer who the MCC was specifically, nor what they did either. You skipped right over my direct inquiry, as if it was rhetorical. That’s because you didn’t know. You act like our initial conversations did not take place. You most likely had to Google the MCC, in order to keep up with the convo back then. That’s why you can’t answer who they are now.Just like you’d never even heard of Geoff Johns, let alone the DCBT, prior to me telling you about them. ME.
            Sounds like you owe a percentage of your enlightenment to me. Speaking of which:

            I love the grand statements of outrage crying hypocrite! I love the pontifications of great thought and un-equaled intelligence! Just do you Sammy, Just do you!

            Thanx, I will. ?
            But your sarcasm is doing nothing, but belying the fact that we both know you’re not my intellectual equal. I could brow-beat you all day, were it not for the fact that it often bores me to do so. Most of the time, I’m much more content to watch you (& your crew of fellow idiots) flail around like wind-up toys, vying desperately for my attention, by calling me “Sammy”, & trying to taunt me into a response by saying “DC Sux!!”, & other asinine statements.

            Respond to my investment question. It is not rhetorical.

            It was to me, especially when I’ve asked you nearly a dozen different Q’s, & half of them you danced around, while the other half, you’ve completely ignored.
            You don’t get to dictate to me, what I should respond to, when you don’t extend the same courtesy. There’s a word for such a person; I’m sure you know what it is.

            Please forgive the ambiguous sentence structure. I meant to say that BVS will have similar audience reviews one year from its release as Genisys has now. Most sites are about the same so I use imdb for convenience and sample size. Genisys has an arithmetic mean of 6.8, while BVS has an arithmetic mean of 7.3 from users. Ratings usually drop over time, so it is reasonable to expect a ~7.0 arithmetic mean for BVS in a year’s time. That isn’t terrible, but fan ratings are almost always too high for films they like.

            This is mot helping your case. 68% & 73%, respectively, are very respectable numbers. Are they 90%? Of course not. But what you & others seem to fail to comprehend, is that they don’t need to be, in order to me considered successful.

            I am not challenging your taste. I think it is great that you have entertainment you enjoy. I enjoy Marvel’s characters, I have done so my entire life. I grew up in the 80s/90s but I read mostly bronze-age comics. That greatly contributed to my tastes. My favorite character all-time is Conan. I especially like the Savage Sword magazine that adapted Robert Howard’s original stories.

            Yes, I’m more than smart enough to glean that you’re a Marvel Zombie. It’s been painfully obvious from the onset.

            I will not ask you to justify your tastes, but I will offer comparisons for my rating of the recent CBM fair. I did not like the character work in MOS, but I would consider the film better than IH, IM2, both Thors, and Avengers 2. I enjoyed all of those movies as-much-or-more than MOS. Liking a movie and the movie being good are mutually exclusive concepts. I don’t respect the (apparent) fact your enjoyment of DC products requires that you decry Marvel films. There is no connection to be made between your favorite movies, and other people’s favorite movies.

            All you’re doing here is restating your Zombie-ism. I get it: you’re a diehard Marvel Zombie. Just like I rep hard for my team. However, you don’t get to tell me what you “respect” about me, when you do the same thing, as well as allow your fellow Zombies to do the same thing as well, without admonishing them.
            There’s that certain word again…..

            But the bottom line is, I’ll do what I wanna do. Especially since everybody else (YOU included) is doing what they wanna do as well.

            LOL. So my evidence is not worthy of your court huh? I figured. You just keep all of your secret information that proves you right hidden away. Now who’s the hypocrite?

            Uhhhmm… You. You’re the hypocrite, for calling me a hypocrite, when you yourself haven’t altered any of your behaviors, especially after being called on it.

            Man of Steel has an imdb arithmetic mean of 7.3. That is in the same realm as IM2(7.2), Thor(7.2), ASM1(7.2), IM3(7.4), Thor 2(7.3), Ant-Man(7.5). All of these films had mixed responses. MOS had a mixed response.

            MOS is decidedly lower than IM1(8.0), A1(8.2), CA2(7.9), GOTG(8.1), A2(7.6) and Cap3(8.4 {though surely to decline to around 8.1})

            BVS will end up in the realm of Incredible Hulk(7.0), ASM2(7.0), and Cap1(7.0 {though the vast discrepancy between domestic(7.2) and international(6.6) audiences suggests an anti-American bent that transcends the actual movie}). Perhaps you have fond memories of Incredible Hulk, but most people have forgotten it. That is the caliber of response that BVS was met with. BVS also broke the second weekend percentage decline record held previously by the odious Wolverine: Origins. That is not hallowed company.

            Despite your attempts to sound erudite, you’re really saying nothing here. If I have a group of 9 friends, & myself & 6 of them are Black, & the remaining 3 are white, that’s not a “mixed” group. The overwhelming majority is black, plain & simple.

            All you (& others) doing with this, is trying to misrepresent the facts.
            1) You wanna skirt around the box office point, only as it suits your agenda. I don’t hear you, or any of your fellow Zombies mentioning the FACT that BVS has grossed more than 90% of ALL Marvel movies (both MCU & non-MCU alike) to date.
            2) You wanna talk about the “odious” Wolverine, so where does that put most of these other Marvel films? Cuz most of them are right next to it.
            3) You talk about people forgetting the Hulk film, but that’s the case for most of the MCU. 3+ years later, & people are STILL discussing MOS, for better or worse. That means it resonates n people’s minds, for some reason. And see, you’re still talking about it right now, even as you attempt to vilify it.
            When’s the last time you’ve seen anyone talk about a Marvel film from 3 years ago? Or even from last year? The only ones people are talking about, are TWS & GOTG. Ant-Man came out last year; where’s the chatter about it? AOU grossed over $1B, & people have forgotten it already, as they have with most of Marvel’s output.
            And here we are, with CW, & despite it being a blockbuster hit, all that’s STILL on people’s minds, is BVS. t’s even on your mind right now.
            Here, let me show you:

            I don’t WANT BVS to be disliked by people. I disliked it. Many others disliked it.

            See? You close out your discussion with BVS. However, you keep trying to throw this mysterious “many” into the mix, in order to validate how you claim to feel about it. All that arithmetic you attempted to demonstrate, & for some strange reason, you can’t seem to grasp the FACT that 3 out of 10 is not “MANY”.
            You & all the other BVS haters are in the overwhelming minority. You all need to accept that, instead of praying at might that the percentages drop.

            In my opinion DC should try something new. It appears that they intend to do so. I am happy to hear it.

            And yet again, what, pray-tell, is “different”? Because you haven’t demonstrated a single example of it.

          • Steve Steve

            It is a shame any time someone equates trivial knowledge to intellectual capacity. I do not take pride in my awareness of the MCC, nor do I feel shame for being unable to name a DCBT member other than Geoff. I do not consider that knowledge to be empowering, therefore I do not find value in it.

            It is quite clear that your affinity for the two current DC titles is based on anger. You are an angry person, so you identify with the angry characters. This is not a healthy way to live, though, to do so is your prerogative.

            I too have tremendous capacity for anger, which is a character flaw I constantly work to manage. I seek enjoyment in my movie-going. You see that as intellectual vacuousness. We cannot debate this, because my existence insults you. Your hatred for Marvel and their fans exceeds all other motivations for commenting, which prevents you from providing value in these discussions.

            As we have had this latest interaction, I’ve re-considered my perspective towards you. Previously I had thought you gained some measure of entertainment from these interactions, but it appears now that you engage due to some internal obligation or obsession. I hope you will find some measure of peace in your life. I will refrain from chiding remarks towards you in the future, as they illicit angry, simplistic insults instead of clever retorts. I will, however, happily refute any of your inevitably erroneous claims.

            Incidentally, eight years later, people still regularly reference Iron Man. Four years later, people are still referencing Avengers. I’m sure people will still reference MOS and BvS in 2021. Those references will be to decry a failed, or celebrate a successful DCEU. I hope, as you do, for the latter.

          • SAMURAI36

            LMAO at this last response from you. You seem to think that you have me “all figured out”, when nothing could be further from true.
            I am far from “angry”. Sarcastic, yes. Sharp-tongued, absolutely. The fact that you can’t handle my wit, has more to do with you, than it does me.

            Not that it’s any of your business, but my life is quite fine. I’m in great health, I’ve got a great job (that affords me time to type out these lengthy responses, such as I do, while still getting paid). I have a wonderful woman in my life, for the last several years. We are in the early stages of purchasing a home. In the meantime, we travel, & do all sorts of fun stuff together. To top that off, she’s a diehard DC enthusiast, like me.

            Also, hating Marvel is fun for me. Aside from having legit reasons for doing so, I treat these differing franchises the exact same way I do rival sports teams. It’s no different for me, than routing for the Warriors, & hating on LeBron & the Cavs (which BTW, it’s too bad your native team is getting trounced by them in the playoffs right now ?).

            So, suffice to say, you’re not remotely qualified to psychoanalyze me.
            So with that out of the way, the problem with you not knowing this info, is that you make yourself sound all the more foolish, by attempting to speak on the subject.

            You don’t get to talk about “what DC needs to do”, when you don’t even know who’s doing it, or what they already do. You, like many other folks on the internet, are trying to play the role of armchair studio exec, & you failed miserably at it.

            You’re not remotely qualified to speak on the subject, & any attempts to do so on your part only makes you look/sound all the more silly.

            Oops, I’m sorry….. Was that too “angry & militant” for you?

          • Steve Steve

            Good to hear! I’m sorry that your internal nerd-rage burns so hot as to overwhelm such a blessed life. I’m not psychoanalyzing you, I’m simply making observations. I behave pretty close to how I do in person on internet boards, perhaps I expect to see too much of that from others.

            I am an armchair GM as a sports fan, and I’m an armchair exec as a movie fan. I have every right to be, just as you do. You do not have “legit” reasons for hating Marvel. Even if you are employed in some way by WB or DC, the success of your favorite characters relies on the continued success of your most-hated characters. They’re all boats in the same harbor.

            Also, while I appreciate a more pleasant chiding than your usual venom, I’m not a Raptors fan. I have no team in that series. I’m far more interested in the OKC/GSW series. Not a big Basketball fan myself, though I did cheer for Phil Jackson’s Lakers dynasty, and obviously Steph Curry is amazing.

          • SAMURAI36

            Good to hear! I’m sorry that your internal nerd-rage burns so hot as to overwhelm such a blessed life. I’m not psychoanalyzing you, I’m simply making observations.

            So, you’re either being dishonest, or you really don’t know what psychanalysis means.

            Anytime you attempt to forecast one’s mental and/or emotional state, based on whatever (you think) you know about their character, that’s psychoanalysis.

            I behave pretty close to how I do in person on internet boards, perhaps I expect to see too much of that from others.

            You’re not making all that great a case for yourself, by saying this. I could sit here and attempt to critique your behavior, but I won’t. You’re guilty of numerous indiscretions.

            But BTW, how I act here, is how I act in person. And I get no complaints from friends, family, and co-workers.

            I am an armchair GM as a sports fan, and I’m an armchair exec as a movie fan. I have every right to be, just as you do.

            NO ONE has the right to armchair anything, when you’re not knowledgeable enough about the subject. You just make yourself look like a fool, in so doing.

            There’s a reason why people attempt to armchair, rarely get taken seriously. You are aware of this, yes?

            You do not have “legit” reasons for hating Marvel.

            Once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Do you ever get tired of being ignorant?? You would do well, to erase from your mind, absolutely every single thing you THINK you know about me. 9 times out of 9, you’ll be wrong, as you’ve been wrong thus far.

            Even if you are employed in some way by WB or DC, the success of your favorite characters relies on the continued success of your most-hated characters. They’re all boats in the same harbor.

            OMG, not this stupid rhetoric again. This is so false, it’s not even funny. Marvel’s success not depend on DC’s success, nor vice versa. Conversely, their respective failures have no bearing on one another either.

            And you can’t point to a single instance where that statement bears out. It’s just something you’ve heard somewhere on the internet, and you’re just parroting it as if it’s true.

            No wonder you’d vote for Trump.

            Also, while I appreciate a more pleasant chiding than your usual venom, I’m not a Raptors fan. I have no team in that series. I’m far more interested in the OKC/GSW series. Not a big Basketball fan myself, though I did cheer for Phil Jackson’s Lakers dynasty, and obviously Steph Curry is amazing.

            Fair enough. I’m a Warriors fan thru osmosis (Wife is from the Bay Area, where we both now live), and I’ve become a full convert over the past few years.

          • Steve Steve

            Cainan Myracle will make you happy. He is like-minded, which is apparently the only people you spend time with.

          • SAMURAI36

            I have no idea who that is.

          • Steve Steve

            I’m glad I could inform you.

          • SAMURAI36

            You get more ridiculous by the moment, you know that?

          • Steve Steve

            Hardly ridiculous to recommend a movie reviewer to a fellow commentor on a film-news website. He shares a lot of your views. You may appreciate his work…

          • SAMURAI36

            Dude, you really need to work on your communication skills. You plop a name in a post with no description, no reference, no context, no links, no nothing, aside from a back-handed (& wholly hypocritical) insult, & you expect me to have a clue what you’re talking about?
            Your first hint should have been when I said:

            I have no idea who that is.

            To which you basically responded by saying “you’re welcome”.
            And even after I told you how ridiculous you’re being, you thought to HALF give me some slightly relevant info. Is it supposed to be a scavenger hunt? Would it kill you to be thorough, just this once??

          • Steve Steve

            I stumbled upon him a week ago. I assumed you had the capacity to use Google, or whatever search engine you usually employ because you may arbitrarily hate Google. I read a few of his pieces. He reminded me of you. I’m surprised you haven’t heard of him. Anyway, this is the first article I read:

            are-we-seeing-a-smear-campaign-against-batman-v-superman

            HH won’t let me put a link in. Use your cursor to select the above title, then (on your keyboard) press and release [ctrl] and [C] simultaneously, then go to your preferred search engine. Once there, “click” the search bar, then press and release [ctrl] and [V] simultaneously, then hit [Enter]. The search engine will provide a list of “links” from which you can select. “Click” the one that seems to be the most appealing destination and your internet browser will take you there.

            “you’re welcome”

          • SAMURAI36

            You’re hilarious.

          • Steve Steve

            Johns’ true contributions won’t be complete until after JL1, when he will be able to manage whatever title from the beginning.

            *sorry for all the replies. I had to isolate what was being flagged.

          • SAMURAI36

            What will be the difference between what he does now, vs him “Managing” a film?

          • Steve Steve

            He will be the boss, instead of a contributor.

          • SAMURAI36

            I get that your vocab is rather pedestrian, but I’m asking what him “being the boss” means.
            Especially since he clearly won’t be “the boss”.

          • SAMURAI36

            There are now two guys in charge of DC Films instead of a “Brain Trust.” Obviously Berg has the film experience, but Johns has the DC writing history. Which one do you think will manage the over-all story? It is just a part of a larger, company-wide overhaul…

            It seems like you are trying to insinuate that the Brain Trust has been dissolved. It hasn’t. Charles Roven is still present, Michael Uslan is still present, obviously the Snyders are still involved, as Rat Pac, Cruel & Unusual Films, and Atlas Films are still involved with the DCEU (WB is the home studio for those smaller studios).

            There’s nothing whatsoever to suggest that the process isn’t still collaborative.

            WB is aligning itself similarly to how Disney is structured. This makes me happy, because it will narrow the focus of the upper managers. This will allow WB to make simple adjustments if the people they’ve put in control of each “genre stream” don’t succeed. No more sharing credit or blame.

            For the most part, I agree with this. However, WB has never needed the “Disney Structure” before, when it came to their films. The Harry Potter franchise is quite fine, as was the LOTR/Hobbit franchise. So was the horror side of things (Conjuring, etc).

            Speaking for the DC side of things, prior to the DCEU, the TDK Trilogy (which was overseen by the DC Brain Trust, sans Johns and Snyder) was fine as well.

            Green Lantern (which was not overseen by them) is the outlier.

            This is why I continue to say, that this move was more cosmetic than anything.

            Also, this does not necessarily align WB with Disney. Disney approaches things by franchise (Marvel, Star Wars, etc) rather than “genre streams”. Disney doesn’t really have different genres. They don’t do horror, or drama/suspense, and their sci-fi aspects are largely pre-built in with their various franchises.

          • Steve Steve

            Nice! You saw my comment before Disqus/HH “detected as spam”

            Nobody (certainly not I) ever claimed that film-making is not collaborative or that the DCEU will not involve collaboration. The difference is that there is now a systemic leader who must make the actual decisions and bear responsibility for them.

            Nolan was in control of TDK trilogy. He was the ultimate boss who made the decisions, and he was great at it, so the studio never subverted his work the way they did with Snyder’s work. Peter Jackson for LOTR/Hobbit. David Yates for HP (though I generally dislike his run of HP films).

            Geoff Johns worked on Green Lantern. I don’t blame him for it, but he was there nonetheless.

            It is not identical to Disney, for sure. Disney has more narrow focus’ for each of the five film divisions: Disney Studios, Disney Animation, Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm.(though I count Disney Animation and Pixar as one under John Lasseter). There are undoubtedly more parallels between WB and Disney now.

          • SAMURAI36

            Nice! You saw my comment before Disqus/HH “detected as spam”

            Not sure what it is you’re trying to post, but 99% of my posts go thru.

            Nobody (certainly not I) ever claimed that film-making is not collaborative or that the DCEU will not involve collaboration. The difference is that there is now a systemic leader who must make the actual decisions and bear responsibility for them.

            The problem continues to be, that neither you nor anyone else can outline what the difference between what Johns did before, and what he will be doing now.

            Nolan was in control of TDK trilogy. He was the ultimate boss who made the decisions, and he was great at it, so the studio never subverted his work the way they did with Snyder’s work. Peter Jackson for LOTR/Hobbit. David Yates for HP (though I generally dislike his run of HP films).

            This is hilariously FALSE. He wasn’t the “ultimate boss”. I don’t know what your obsession with the word “boss” is, but for some reason, you want to overlook the COMMITTEE of people I named, to whom Nolan corroborated with.

            Geoff Johns worked on Green Lantern. I don’t blame him for it, but he was there nonetheless.

            Not nearly in the same role as he is for the DCEU, both before and after his new position. He was there as a consultant, nothing more.

            It is not identical to Disney, for sure. Disney has more narrow focus’ for each of the five film divisions: Disney Studios, Disney Animation, Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm.(though I count Disney Animation and Pixar as one under John Lasseter). There are undoubtedly more parallels between WB and Disney now.

            These are studio heads. Not the same thing as what WB has going on, really in the slightest. I just demonstrated the difference, which you seemed to talk right over, without acknowledging.

            Also, those are just different studios under the Disney Banner. WB has dozens of studios, each one putting out different genres.

            Not even remotely the same thing.

          • Steve Steve

            LOL. What is the difference between what Johns does now and what he did on Green Lantern? Please demonstrate the difference, I know you want to…

          • SAMURAI36

            Nope, I already know. You’re the one making all the erroneous statements here, and incorrigibly so.

          • Steve Steve

            Also, what is you aversion to the word “boss?” Is it that you aren’t one and you feel disenfranchised because of it? Are you nurturing the fantasy that it is really you who runs the organisation that employs you?

          • SAMURAI36

            Because most civilized people don’t use the term. “Boss” doesn’t clarify the role of the person with said title.

            Not to mention, it has far too many negative historical connotations. In my culture, “boss” was another word for “slave master”.

            And finally, only ignorant people use the term.

            And there you go again, trying to a$$-ume something about me. None of the nonsense you said applies to me. I’ve been a manager/supervisor (see? those are more appropriate, and INTELLIGENT terms to use) in my previous career history.

            I’m no longer interested in managerial positions. They are too much responsibility, and therefore too much headache and stress.

            So whate else ya got? Cuz you’re batting -1000 right now.

          • SAMURAI36

            Here’s some proof, since I know you won’t believe me:

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-the-origin-of-the-word-boss/

            Also, I’ve never one had any issue posting links, so I don’t know why you do.

          • Steve Steve

            Ok, one more,

            The great thing about the English language is that it evolves. The origin of any word does not necessarily have bearing on the current use of the word. We as a society needed a word to represent the “supervisors” and “managers” in business so we adopted a Dutch word. You were never a slave in america, nor was your father, nor your grandfather. You are without a claim to offense from the word, which today just means “a person in charge of a worker or organization.”

            Are you also offended by the word niggardly? Because there is absolutely nothing offensive in the origin of that word.

          • SAMURAI36

            The great thing about the English language is that it evolves. The origin of any word does not necessarily have bearing on the current use of the word.

            LMAO. Here’s several reasons why you are wrong.

            http://www.dictionary.com/browse/boss?s=t

            verb (used with object)

            4. to be master of or over; manage; direct; control.

            5. to order about, especially in an arrogant manner.

            verb (used without object)

            6. to be boss.

            7. to be too domineering and authoritative.

            Not to mention in addition, “Boss” also has criminal connotations as well.

            There’s nothing about the word “boss” that is endearing, let alone accurate to the point in question.

            Also, you are correct, language does evolve. That’s why we have appropriate words like “Supervisor”, or “manager”, etc. to describe such people.

            We as a society needed a word to represent the “supervisors” and “managers” in business so we adopted a Dutch word.

            So wait, we needed a word for supervisors, because…. “Supervisor” is somehow insufficient??

            Also, boss is not an applicable term for legitimate business. In fact, it’s a laymen’s term utilized by uninformed people, both back then, as well as now, on both sides of the word.

            You were never a slave in america, nor was your father, nor your grandfather. You are without a claim to offense from the word, which today just means “a person in charge of a worker or organization.”

            OMG, the levels of idiocy you are willing to reach are mind-boggling. First off, my ancestors were in fact slaves in another country. Oh, LOL…. You thought America was the only Western nation to have slaves? Never mind the fact that I never once told you where I was from….

            Your ignorance would be cute, if it were not so shameful.

        • SAMURAI36

          And don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I think Johns doesn’t deserve it, cuz he definitely does. But as I’ve said, he’s been doing it the entire time.

  • MacW ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    More hope and optimism and less jars of urine.

  • theClownPrinceOfTrolls

    Poor d.c

  • Axxell

    Took them a while to get the message, but at least they got it.

  • Daniel

    Just like no matter what Barack Obama does, even if it’s exactly what the GOP says they want him to do, the Republicans will never support him, no matter what WB does the anti-DC crowd will always criticize what they do even if it’s exactly what they’re asking for. So I think it’s a mistake to give in to the criticism.

    • Steve Steve

      Ah. So the President is justified BECAUSE people hate what he’s doing. Makes sense

      • SAMURAI36

        With statements like this, no wonder the “spam police” keep sacking your responses.

        • Steve Steve

          You’re a big Obama fan huh?

          • SAMURAI36

            Nope, not in the slightest. But I’m not a fan of the other guys either.

          • Steve Steve

            I don’t know how one could buy into the candidates from the last three cycles (except Romney seemed pretty reasonable, but for some reason people hate Mormons and the wealthy). I think Trump is clearly a direct result of the outrage felt towards Obama’s terms. Hillary is a disaster of a candidate, yet is winning by default. Sanders is a crazy person (I love that the High Sparrow from GOT so closely resembles Bernie).

            Can’t say I’m proud of our feds here in Canada either though…

          • SAMURAI36

            So then, what was the point of your statement?

          • Steve Steve

            To reject the horrendous leap of logic in the comment to which I replied. I have this bizarre belief that governments should aspire to serve the will of the people. Barrack has made no effort to bend his policies to where most American want them to be, and no effort to compromise with the GOP. He is devout to his ideologies, and stubborn in his governance.

          • SAMURAI36

            …. As opposed to the GOP doing, what…. Precisely the opposite?

          • Steve Steve

            The GOP is constantly compromising. That is why the “Tea Party” movement is so angry at them.

          • SAMURAI36

            Yeah, I hope you realize that with this one statement, you are confirming all my assumptions about you.
            The GOP (& the Tea Party as well) are a cesspool of racist, misogynist, zenophobic (& a few other “phobes”, that it’s probably best that I not name here) ignorant throwbacks.
            And don’t think I didn’t notice how you tried to portray Trump as well.
            This explains a lot for me, when it comes to you, & it puts a spin on how I should proceed with our interactions henceforth.

          • Steve Steve

            You’ve made it petty clear that you’re an angry black militant fellow. I thought I’d make my perspective known to you. You’re a bit further ’round-the-bend than I thought. I don’t like Trump at all. I rooted for Rubio. However, if I were American, I’d begrudgingly cast a vote for Donald.

          • SAMURAI36

            You’ve made it petty clear that you’re an angry black militant fellow. I thought I’d make my perspective known to you.

            You already have; this statement alone makes it clear that in addition to being pretty low-brow, you’re also pretty idiotic. Never once have I presented myself as an “angry black militant”. Black? Definitely. Pan-Africanist? Absolutely. But none of that equates to “angry & militant”, not even by default.
            However….

            You’re a bit further ’round-the-bend than I thought. I don’t like Trump at all. I rooted for Rubio. However, if I were American, I’d begrudgingly cast a vote for Donald.

            …. You’ve given yourself away far more than you seem to think I have. But, given your proclivities as blatantly stated, I’m not surprised that this is your view of me. Also, don’t think I don’t know that your description of me was just a quasi-sophisticated way of calling me “something else”.
            Furthermore, this puts quite a bit into perspective, regarding why you’re such the Marvel Zombie, as Marvel’s CEO (Disney’s as well), as well as several Marvel actors are GOP, Tea Party, & admitted Trump supporters.
            But you probably new that already.

          • Steve Steve

            Condescending and outright insulting! I’ll do my best to control my shock.

            I had read that Perlmutter is a Trump supporter. That does not surprise me. The political leanings of other people, even those that I respect, do not inform my own.

            Should I call you names now? Is that how you best communicate with people?

          • SAMURAI36

            Annnd… Someone isn’t smart enough to realize that never once was he called a name.
            And it’s not about them informing or influencing your political leanings, it’s about sharing those commonalities.
            Perlmutter, a horrible person, supports Trump, another horrible person. So what does that make you, since you support both?

          • Steve Steve

            Perhaps not directly in this comment stream, but you did imply that I am affiliated with “a cesspool of racist, misogynist, zenophobic (& a few other “phobes”, that it’s probably best that I not name here) ignorant throwbacks”

            You’ve also referred to me (and others) as “an idiot,” “retarded,” “intellectually inferior,” and, in the above comment, “a horrible person.” It isn’t until just now that I am bothered by these statements. Perhaps I should not have ignored them when you wrote them.

            You took tremendous offense when I wrote “angry, black, militant fellow.” Obviously my intent was to upset you with that remark, but your behavior aligns perfectly with the “culture” warriors who obnoxiously shout their opinions so as to drown out those of other people. You belong in the Bay area with all of the other cooky, left-wing, pseudo-intellectuals whose views align with your own.

          • SAMURAI36

            Perhaps not directly in this comment stream, but you did imply that I am affiliated with “a cesspool of racist, misogynist, zenophobic (& a few other “phobes”, that it’s probably best that I not name here) ignorant throwbacks”

            LOL, I know you view these as insults, but this is just me calling a duck, a duck.

            That’s how Trump is largely perceived in this nation, as well as the Tea Party and GOP. But it was YOU that aligned YOURSELF with them.

            You’ve also referred to me (and others) as “an idiot,” “retarded,” “intellectually inferior,” and, in the above comment, “a horrible person.” It isn’t until just now that I am bothered by these statements. Perhaps I should not have ignored them when you wrote them.

            Here’s the problem: people need to learn the difference between “you’re retarded”, and “what you said was retarded”.

            Again, I’m smart enough with my vernacular to maneuver may away around such an issue. It’s unfortunate that you’re not.

            You took tremendous offense when I wrote “angry, black, militant fellow.” Obviously my intent was to upset you with that remark, but your behavior aligns perfectly with the “culture” warriors who obnoxiously shout their opinions so as to drown out those of other people. You belong in the Bay area with all of the other cooky, left-wing, pseudo-intellectuals whose views align with your own.

            There you go, trying to speak for me again. First, I’m not indigenous to the Bay Area. Second, I’m originally from NYC, where your precious Donald Trump comes from. Third, I’m not even American by nationality.

            So what else you got?

          • Steve Steve

            Trump (incredibly) leads Hillary by 5 in the recent Rasmussen poll. He (incredibly) does well with traditionally Democrat-voting Blacks and Hispanics (WND/Clout Poll from December). I don’t understand how that is possible, but it is real. Trump may be widely disliked, but it is by the same “minority” of the population who dislike BvS (33% according to RT). I don’t like the guy, but his victory will come from people (like me) who dislike Hillary more.

            You throw out “idiot” frequently. Calling what others think “retarded” is akin to calling those people “retarded.” your vernacular cannot control your nerd-rage.

            Where did I imply you were from the Bay Area or even American-born? I’m well aware neither are true. I also don’t see what NYC has to do with anything, though I’m sure you can find like-minded folk there too.

          • SAMURAI36

            Trump (incredibly) leads Hillary by 5 in the recent Rasmussen poll. He (incredibly) does well with traditionally Democrat-voting Blacks and Hispanics (WND/Clout Poll from December). I don’t understand how that is possible, but it is real. Trump may be widely disliked, but it is by the same “minority” of the population who dislike BvS (33% according to RT). I don’t like the guy, but his victory will come from people (like me) who dislike Hillary more.

            I call BS on this “poll”. First, this info has been disseminated back in September 2015 as well, by a totally different “poll”.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/09/about-that-poll-showing-donald-trump-doing-well-with-black-voters/

            You throw out “idiot” frequently. Calling what others think “retarded” is akin to calling those people “retarded.” your vernacular cannot control your nerd-rage.

            I know you think “nerd-rage” means something to me, but it doesn’t. This might be hard for you to comprehend, but I don’t identify with “nerds” in the slightest.

            But if you can’t see the difference between being called and idiot, and being told that what you say is idiotic, then perhaps… Just maybe…. You really are an idiot?

            Also, I’m not “Left-Wing” either, as you tried to lump me in with from earlier. I’m not any “Wing”. I think politics is BS, on both sides of the isle. The Rights are ignorant racists, but the Lefts are ineffectual tree-huggers. F&ck ’em both.

            Where did I imply you were from the Bay Area or even American-born? I’m well aware neither are true. I also don’t see what NYC has to do with anything, though I’m sure you can find like-minded folk there too.

            It means about as much as you trying to lump me in with folks from the Bay Area. Or with Lefts.

            I get that you are trying to get a rise out of me, but everytime you try to peg me, you fail. Meanwhile, you’re as obvious as it gets.

          • Steve Steve

            You missed the part where the poll was published in December… Obviously the WP is rebutting a different poll. Someone with such a vast, vociferous vernacular should be able to read these things… You also ignored the federal poll that shows Trump ahead.

            Ah, so you’re an anarchist. An unfortunate choice, but I’m glad you won’t be voting.

            Again, you regularly use the word “idiot” in reference to commentors. Not “idiotic,” but “idiot.” You also refer to other perspectives, not just comments, as “retarded.” You deride people personally. It only bothers me because to do so is beneath your intellectual capacity. You’re not a good person.

            To paraphrase Shakespeare, A troll, by any other name, would smell just as sour. Feeding you has been fun. I’m done for now, but I’ll come rattle your cage in the future.

          • SAMURAI36

            You missed the part where the poll was published in December… Obviously the WP is rebutting a different poll. Someone with such a vast, vociferous vernacular should be able to read these things… You also ignored the federal poll that shows Trump ahead.

            I didn’t miss anything. I read your article. I’m calling BS on the central thesis of it, which is Blacks and Hispanics being in support of Trump. And I countered with a different source.

            Here’s your poll:

            http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/minorities-line-up-behind-donald-trump/

            And here’s mine:

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/09/about-that-poll-showing-donald-trump-doing-well-with-black-voters/

            I’ve read them both. Have you? My link shows that the info is inconsistent.

            Talking about him being ahead of Hillary is not relevant to me. I have no dog in either race. But I do have a dog in the race that says Trump is supported by this high number of Blacks and Hispanics. Now, true, there are a few Trump supporters (like that Black self-hater Anthony Mackie, of Marvel fame), but no where near what this “poll” of yours is trying to insinuate.

            Ah, so you’re an anarchist. An unfortunate choice, but I’m glad you won’t be voting.

            LMAO. I guess I gotta admire your unwillingness to give up. That’s gotta count for something. But that doesn’t make the stuff you say, any less idiotic.

            So now, anyone who is dissatisfied with the choices being presented, is automatically an “Anarchist” by default? Should I give you some time to be alone, to ponder that a little bit more?

            Again, you regularly use the word “idiot” in reference to commentors. Not “idiotic,” but “idiot.” You also refer to other perspectives, not just comments, as “retarded.” You deride people personally. It only bothers me because to do so is beneath your intellectual capacity. You’re not a good person.

            LMAO, the guy who would vote for Trump, is lecturing me about not being a “good person”.

            And a person’s perspective is not that person.

            To paraphrase Shakespeare, A troll, by any other name, would smell just as sour. Feeding you has been fun. I’m done for now, but I’ll come rattle your cage in the future.

            And yet, my cage remains eternally unrattled. You’re either trying too hard, or not hard enough. I don’t know which is more laughable.

            But in the meantime, feel free to stop back on by for a continued brow-beating. I have plenty to give.

  • Shu

    What they need to change is the narration of act rather than the tone

  • SAMURAI36

    Let the record show, that the original article has been edited. Hopefully HH will be edited as well. Otherwise, this is precisely the level of journalistic integrity (or lack thereof) that I’ve been speaking about, as it pertains to comic book related sites.

    • xxjinzaxx

      …and how rumors go out of control with first-readers. Hardly anyone comes back to an article they have already read to check for any updates. The drive thru, fast service society we live in today cannot afford to be recalibrated to reflect accuracy. Everyone is like a chicken little wind up toy.

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