‘Suicide Squad’ Pushes Past ‘Captain America: The Winter Soldier’ At Global Box Office

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Suicide Squad has managed to do something that Captain America: The Winter Soldier, which came out in 2014, has not: It’s made more money at the global box office. And in less time, too.

Suicide Squad, according to Box Office Mojo, has made a whopping $718.8 million at the global box office, versus the $714.4 million for The Winter Soldier. Now, this doesn’t seem like a big deal to some, but given the fact that the Warner Bros. film debuted in August of this year, it’s very noteworthy and impressive that the DC film has managed to make more in far less time.

Despite its box office numbers, David Ayer’s film wasn’t positively received, with a 26% on Rotten Tomatoes. Some have also been concerned with the overall tone that the DCEU has taken on since Man of Steel.

On the other hand, The Winter Soldier opened to much more positive reviews, with an 89% Rotten Tomatoes score. But, while the MCU is praised for its more tight-knit storytelling across their movies, what do these numbers mean? Is it that Suicide Squad has more longevity? Obviously, more people have gone to see it and it’s still picking up steam at the domestic box office as well, where its total gross so far is $314 million.

Ultimately, if we’re just talking about monetary success, this news bodes well for all the remaining DCEU films as well.

Source: Comic Book Resources

 

Mae Abdulbaki

Mae Abdulbaki

Mae Abdulbaki is an entertainment journalist and Weekend Editor at Heroic Hollywood. She's a geek, a lover of words, superheroes, and all things entertainment.

  • Vegas82

    Complete failure again for DC. What were they thinking?

    • SAMURAI36

      I think I’ll take the Mrs to so see it again, for the 6th time. 😀

      • Darthmanwe

        Dude, 6 times? After 3 times, it’s just gratuitous waste of money. You shoulda kept the numbers 4,5,6 and bought SS Bluray release or something when it comes out

        • SAMURAI36

          So, you’re mad because we enjoy the film that much?

          And I definitely will buy the Blu-ray when it comes out as well. Not sure why I can’t do both.

  • Origami Rose

    The best comparison to the current DCEU is the Transformers franchise.

    • SAMURAI36

      Good, good. Let the butt-hurt flow thru you.

      • Radar Technician Matt

        He’s always butt hurt…

        • SAMURAI36

          LOL, his tie must be too tight (even though it looks like a clip-on).

    • Axxell

      You’re absolutely right. But trying to convince them is no use.

      • Napi

        I told you once, now I told you twice, go away fagg*t

        • Axxell

          You’re a nobody here. I’ve been on this board longer than your @$$, so go sc®ew.

          • Napi

            LEAVE fagg*t!

          • Axxell

            Make me, b¡tch.

          • Napi

            NOBODY wants you here! LEAVE!

          • Axxell

            Sorry…. Try again, b¡tch…

          • Napi

            LEAVE BIAATCH

          • Axxell

            Who the fück are you, b¡tch?

          • Napi

            LEAVE ALREADY stop typing nonsense

          • Axxell

            Have you noticed your endless b¡tching isn’t making me leave?

          • Napi

            LEAVEEEE

          • Axxell

            B¡¡¡¡tch

          • Napi

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          • Axxell

            Um…..No, b¡tch…

          • Napi

            Um… levea idiota

          • Axxell

            não, b¡tch

          • Napi

            se diz porra, porra hahahaha vc vai fora

          • Axxell

            I’m still here, b¡tch…nothing you say will make me leave.

          • Napi

            Pay attention to the lyrics, your girl Marquis showed me this vid and told me that you better be obeying what it says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLpeX4RRo28

          • Axxell

            No thanks…it looks like you’re already Marquis’ b¡tch since you’re doing whatever he tells you to…

          • Napi

            Hi5 then, we are Marquis’ lovers (it’s sarcasm if you dont get it)… Marquis also told me that you need to LEAVE hahaha you must obey him

          • Axxell

            Don’t need to…I’m not his b¡tch like you just admitted to…

          • Napi

            Hahaha just shut up and leave you fool

          • Axxell

            How do you find time to be Marquis’ AND Sammy’s side b¡tch, and still bang your head uselessly against the wall, crying for me to leave?

    • Carl

      True. Started off ok, got progressively worse and somehow continues to make money. lol

      • SAMURAI36

        Hmm, that sounds precisely like Marvel. Speaking of which:

        http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/18/how-problematic-is-the-civil-war-ii-tag-to-marvels-crossover-titles/

        Where you been, Carlene? Ducking this truth I’ve been saving for that a$$.

        Oh, and it gets worse…

        http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/18/dan-slott-says-retailers-havent-ordered-enough-copies-of-clone-conspiracy/

        The books are so bad, that the writer has to beg people to buy them. BEG.

        But let me guess: Marvel is doing fine, right?

        Except, they’re not:

        http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/17/marvel-to-publish-deadpool-the-duck/

        This is the stuff they are putting out. Stuff that a starving dog wouldn’t eat.

        And since you’re gonna pretend that you didn’t read it:

        http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/18/marvel-only-has-three-comics-in-the-top-30-comics-sold-in-august-2016/

        Marvel had exactly ONE book in the top 10. TWO in the top 20. TEN in the top 50. Everything Marvel put out is at the drop dead BOTTOM of the chart. And keep in mind, the chart actually goes to 300.

        http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/16/dc-comics-humiliates-marvel-with-august-2016-marketshare-as-diamond-sets-a-record-month-of-sales/

        Marvel put out 93 books last month. Only 49 are on the top 100 (the lower half), so that means the other half of their inventory is bottom feeding somewhere at the bottom of the charts.

        As the articles show, Marvel is suffering in their print department. The writing is on the wall. Go anywhere on social media, or any comics-related site, and it’s obvious. And it’s projected that next month will be even worse.

        None of their gimmicks are working.

        So c’mon Carla. Defend your precious Marvel!! Or better yet, pretend that you’re not gonna read my “rant”, so that you don’t have to face the truth.

        • Carl

          I’m waiting for unbiased statistics on comichron. Also I don’t really care because I’ve already proved to you that Marvel is doing fine, beating DC in May, June and July. So let me know when DC takes 4 months in a row but even then that won’t erase things, just balance them.

          You’re so pathetic. Keep up your hate Sammy boy.

          • SAMURAI36

            Umm, where do you think these numbers come from, genius??? All the comics sites are reporting them, mot just this one. Bit you’re funny, talking about wanting something “unbiased”, when you absorb every biased spin about DC from everywhere on the net.

          • Carl

            What spin?

          • SAMURAI36

            Quit playing dumb, dude.

          • Carl

            But I honestly don’t see any spin, so you are going to have to explain it.

          • SAMURAI36

            Also, When did you “prove” that Marvel beat DC in July? Because the numbers (you know, those unbiased numbers from Comichron, that you claim to care about so much?) state that Marvel LOST to DC in July.
            Not to mention, each subsequent previous month, DC was gaining ground on Marvel. It’s clearly a loss, when you put out a ⅓ to a ½ more product, but only control ⅛ to 1/10th of the market & dollar share.
            And market/sales isn’t about “balance”, genius. This isn’t a philosophy class. A company doesn’t care about balancing themselves against another company, when that company’s goals are not being reached.

          • Carl

            They care about making money, Marvel comics are doing fine there.

      • SAMURAI36
  • Matches Malone

    Not to mention it did it with $0 from China. It has passed all the MCU films save IM3, GotG and Avengers 1, 2 and 2.5.

    • SAMURAI36

      Yep, it outgrossed 80% of all Marvel films (both Disney and non-Disney).

      • Carl

        So did the Transformers movies. Doesn’t matter much if the movie isn’t considered good.

        • SAMURAI36

          Good, according to whom? The people who keep spending their money on the TF franchise, film after film, don’t think it’s bad, and that’s all that matters.

          I’ve given up on TF’s a long time ago. Granted, I’ll still watch them, but they are nothing more than a guilty pleasure for me. But I realized a long time ago, that they are not made for me. They are made for the Asian Market, which LOVES them. And so be it.

          According to them, TF’s are the greatest thing they’ve ever seen. And good for them.

          • Carl

            That’s a terrible attitude. I believe that a really good Transformers movie can be made but if people keep going to see these bad ones in droves we’ll keep getting this crap.

            I got thru 3 of them in theaters and finally had enough. I’ve still never sat through the 4th movie. That one did the worst domesticity so at least America wised up a bit. They’ll do the same for DC movies if we keep get bad ones.

          • SAMURAI36

            See, this is the point you’re missing: IT’S NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU LIKE. Art is subjective. I just told you that the Asian Market loves TF’s. They created the franchise in the first place.
            And what difference does it make, how it did in the States? It made it’s budget back in the US, & almost a $1B elsewhere.
            The hate will really flow thru you, when the next one makes another $1B.

          • Carl

            They don’t even speak the language of the movie, they just like seeing giant robots. lol

            If DC has a good movie that makes $1 billion I’ll be happy. WW won’t hit that. Justice League, maybe, depends on how much of the audience has been affected by the previous bad movies.

          • SAMURAI36

            So what? I don’t speak Chinese, but I have a whole slew of Kung-Fu movies. What a dumb comment to make.

            WW will do about $800+M. JL should do $1B, based on the build-up of previous DCEU films.

            Remember, not a single Marvel movie made even close to $1B until Avengers. So DC haters like you trying to imply this $B standard is not only bogus, but nothing but cognitive dissonance.

          • Carl

            You can’t compare Marvel Studios’ movies to these DC movies. They were using far less known characters and made the superhero movie crazy the big deal it is today.

            DC has used it’s most popular characters, which are the 2 most popular in the world, to build their Universe. SS is an extension of the Batman world and benefited from great marketing, good casting, and a weak summer movie season.

            Also don’t forget that DC started with bigger budget films with bigger marketing.

            I don’t see WW getting to $800m and I don’t expect Justice League to hit $1 billion because BvS was disliked by so many. Although I could see the spectacle and possibility that it’s actually good, as giving it a chance to reach $1 billion.

          • SAMURAI36

            You can’t compare Marvel Studios’ movies to these DC movies. They were using far less known characters and made the superhero movie crazy the big deal it is today.

            First off, last I checked, SS consists of mostly unknown characters, so yes, we can make the comparison.

            DC has used it’s most popular characters, which are the 2 most popular in the world, to build their Universe. SS is an extension of the Batman world and benefited from great marketing, good casting, and a weak summer movie season.

            SS is not an “extension of the Batman world”. You’ve never read a single SS comic, have you?

            And what sort of marketing did these Marvel movies have?

            Also don’t forget that DC started with bigger budget films with bigger marketing.

            I don’t see WW getting to $800m and I don’t expect Justice League to hit $1 billion because BvS was disliked by so many. Although I could see the spectacle and possibility that it’s actually good, as giving it a chance to reach $1 billion.

            IIRC, you didn’t see SS making this much money, either.

            What you fail to realize, is that it doesn’t matter if these films are “disliked by so many”. That’s the entire point here. The DCEU has been an unstoppable force, and it’s not going to slow down any time soon.

            So it really doesn’t make what you think this film will do.

          • Carl

            It will slow down if they continue to be bad. The novelty has worn off now and they need to deliver quality.

            “Unstoppable juggernaut” ha ha ha, they are profitable but not as much as hoped due to high cost.

      • Axxell

        …And there’s 4 Marvel films that have outgrossed 100% of all DC films…EVER.

      • Marquis de Sade

        Don’t mean a THANG until dceu attain that elusive 1 billion dollar RANG!

    • Peter James

      So what you’re saying is that it’s as good as a middle-of-the-road Marvel movie (and not even that, quality-wise).

      • SAMURAI36

        Ah, so IM3 was a spectacular movie, then? Because if you go by that logic, they are all “middle-of-the-road Marvel movies”.

        Either Marvel is the standard, or they’re not. You can’t have it both ways.

      • Matches Malone

        Lol – If you think “The Winter Solider” is a “middle of the road” Marvel film both sides will demand your fanboy card be revoked.

        • SAMURAI36

          LOL, his butt-hurt argument worked against him. These guys don’t know if they are coming or going. Total meltdown.

    • Darthmanwe

      To be honest, none of those Marvel movies had Will SMith in them.

      The man is one of the last remaining true box office drawing stars.

      • Rob

        His box office draw has significantly waned over the years. He is no longer the big box office draw he used to be, but he is far more of a draw than Chris Pratt (at least before GOTG), Chris Evans, or Chris Hemsworth are.

        • SAMURAI36

          That’s because those dudes don’t do much outside of Marvel, especially Evans & Hemsworth. And the latter pretty much gets type-casted.

          • Rob

            Because they were relatively unknowns before their Marvel appearance. No one knew Hemsworth. Evans was known for two crappy Fantastic Four movies. Pratt was known as a supporting cast member on Parks and Recreations.

            Smith is a major, although fading, celebrity who used to guarantee a major opening for a movie.

            There is a huge difference between them. WB/DC seem to go for names (Affleck, Smith) while Marvel go for relatively unknowns for their leads.

          • SAMURAI36

            You’re talking about what they DID, and I’m talking about what they are doing.

            The only Marvel person right now with a major career outside of Marvel, is Pratt.

          • Rob

            Robert Downey Jr. says hello.

            But it isn’t like Henry Cavill has parlayed his DC role into a career. Christian Bale did get Oscar creed in smaller films from Batman, but not as a box office draw.

            No one in a DC movie has gotten a big career from a DC movie. Margot Robbie may be the first. They just went after bigger stars than Marvel has.

          • SAMURAI36

            Robert Downey Jr. says hello.

            Yes, & he also says to tell you, that his non-Marvel films are not big box office draws either.

            But it isn’t like Henry Cavill has parlayed his DC role into a career. Christian Bale did get Oscar creed in smaller films from Batman, but not as a box office draw.

            Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Liam Nelson, Lawrence Fishburme, Russell Crowe, Jesse E, Michael Shannon, Kevin Costner, Diane Lane, Ben Affleck, Amy Adams.

            No one in a DC movie has gotten a big career from a DC movie. Margot Robbie may be the first. They just went after bigger stars than Marvel has.

            Uhmmm, you do realize that the DCEU is just 3 years old, right? nice MOS, Henry Cahill has been in 2 films. Gal Gadot was already (& still is) in the F&F franchise, & has been in TWO films since BVS.
            So…. You were saying?

          • Rob

            So RDJ is not a big box office draw, but Diane Lane is? The Sherlock Holmes movies say “hello”.

            And thank you for backing up my point. I love it when you think you are arguing against me and spending time proving my point. Kudos!

            So we agree that DC goes after established actors and Marvel goes primarily after actors who are lesser known. Thanks for backing up my point. I didn’t want to list all those actors and you did a wonderful job supporting my argument.

            BTW, you listed the Caines, Crowes, Costnars for a point that you clearly didn’t understand. All the actors you listed had success BEFORE they did a DC movie. None of them have parlayed them into more success after… At least not at this point.

            And Cavill was in two bombs. Man From Uncle was one of the biggest bombs of last summer. And Gal Gadot was a supporting actor in the F&F franchise who was so irrelevant that they didn’t even give her screen time to kill her off in the last movie.

          • SAMURAI36

            So RDJ is not a big box office draw, but Diane Lane is? The Sherlock Holmes movies say “hello”.

            Really? The SH movies? The ones that made roughly $500M on $100M budgets, & only fair-to-meddling reviews? These are you examples? Now granted, I liked both films (a lot more than the IM films), but they are NOTHING to write home about. In fact, the Cumberbatch SH series gets more critical acclaim than either of those movies.

            And thank you for backing up my point. I love it when you think you are arguing against me and spending time proving my point. Kudos!

            What on earth are you even talking about? Your statements are so all over the place, that I have problems keeping track oftentimes.

            So we agree that DC goes after established actors and Marvel goes primarily after actors who are lesser known. Thanks for backing up my point. I didn’t want to list all those actors and you did a wonderful job supporting my argument.

            Except that wasn’t your entire argument. You changed horses in the middle of the race, as you typically do when you’re getting debunked.

            You said:

            No one in a DC movie has gotten a big career from a DC movie. Margot Robbie may be the first. They just went after bigger stars than Marvel has.

            Once again, the DCEU is only 3 years old. That’s a poor comparison to make against Marvel, who, in nearly a decade, only ONE of their actors has made the big time. And it’s not RDJ either, who has been around than all of them combined.

            BTW, you listed the Caines, Crowes, Costnars for a point that you clearly didn’t understand. All the actors you listed had success BEFORE they did a DC movie. None of them have parlayed them into more success after… At least not at this point.

            See, this is why I say your arguments sound ridiculous. Why on earth would A-listers need to “parlay” ion success, when they’ve already been successful??

            By that same logic, once again, people like Sam Jackson, Anthony Hopkins, Robert Redford, & especially RDJ are in terrible shape. Or does that prove your argument as well?

            And Cavill was in two bombs. Man From Uncle was one of the biggest bombs of last summer. And Gal Gadot was a supporting actor in the F&F franchise who was so irrelevant that they didn’t even give her screen time to kill her off in the last movie.

            You mean like how Ghostbusters & Snow White were bombs for Cnris Helmsworth? Or The Judge for RDJ? Or Chris Evans with that nonsense movie that he thought he could direct?

      • SAMURAI36

        Check his stats. Will Smith isn’t that much of a draw. That’s not remotely all that SS had going for it.

        • Darthmanwe

          I didn’t say all. But put Big Willie in, say, a movie like winter soldier, and you’d have for sure gotten a lot higher BO for that.

          No matter how you turn it to be, a lot of people went out to SS for big willie. I’ve seen coworkers of mine, who’d never get caught seeing a superhero movie, go to that, just because Wİll Smith was doing Will Smith things in the trailer.

          • SAMURAI36

            That has more to do with the property/franchise he appears in, than his own star power.

            And of course he has fans; nobody is denying that. But those fans alone are not enough to sell a film he’s in. If that was the case, then his last 3 or 4 films would have done far better than they did.

      • Matches Malone

        Thats true to a certain point; his last 3 films, After Earth, Focus and Concussion all bombed at the box office. Even MIB3 did less than half the domestic box office of the original.

        I do agree that he is one of the last few conventional movie stars in the business though.

  • Napi

    In your face Marquis HAHAHAHA

  • flavortang

    YESSSSSSSSSS

  • Carl

    It’s really sad that such a bad movie could make this much. I suppose a critically loathed, lukewarm audience received movie that appeared original with great marketing can do well in one of the most lackluster summer movie seasons ever. Hopefully WB can make a good movie soon or else their luck will run out.

    • SAMURAI36

      Man, you’re such a hater. But I love it. The butt-hurt flows freely thru you (pause).

      • Carl

        You don’t know what you are talking about. Sadness is not hatred. Neither is hope. I mentioned both of those.

        • Technofied

          he does. Stop hating for once. We’re just as amazed with the global box office of civil war as we all know how s*itty it was. Opinions my friend, opinions!!!

          • SAMURAI36

            Exactly. Silly War was THE dumbest Marvel movie thus far. And there’ve been quite a few already.

          • Technofied

            Feige: How do we introduce Spiderman in the movie?

            Russo Bros: Let’s Get Tony Stark Recruit him to fight against Captain America, a guy who has been around for over a century. Fought countless wars, killed thousands but hey, we gotta support the sokovia accords because Tony Stark felt guilt for getting a teenager killed in the crossfire so let’s go recruit another teenager to fight caps.

            Feige: But how do we introduce him in the action?

            Russos: Let’s put a completely unnecessary airport fight scene where we can have spiderman babble about all sorts of random **it oh and yes, let’s not have vision destroy the jet with his laser because there will be no fight if he destroyed the jet!!

          • SAMURAI36

            Oh, & let’s de-age him again, so that he can relate more to kids!! Never mind the fact that Tony would mow be arming a child soldier, that he LIES to his Mom, on order to bribe this kid, in order to fight in his personal war. A war that said kid almost gets killed in.
            But wait……. I thought Tony was all distraught, because his actions got another kid killed?
            Never mind all that, cuz…. Go Marvel.

          • Axxell

            No, you’re just too dumb to get it.

          • Napi

            And you are a facking idot! Hahahahaha Marvel Gaay Fan!!!
            LEAVE

          • Axxell

            Come to defend your boyfriend?

          • Napi

            Nothing like that, im only here to put idiots like you in their place, and your place Axxell is to LEAVE NOW hahahaha (im waiting your childish answer: “no mamma, im not leaving mamma”)

          • Axxell

            If you’re here to take out idiots, you should start by using the door…

          • Napi

            Congrats man you changed your answer… now, you have my permission to LEAVE

          • Axxell

            Thanks for the permission…I choose not to exercise it.

          • Napi

            I get it now! you are those kind of kids that thinks if they have the last word on an arguement they are a total badass :O You may have the pleasure boy… Go on comment something stupid or LEAVE 😉 LOL!

          • Axxell

            Says the toddler who doesn’t take a hint…

          • Napi

            See! I told you hahaha You made your point… now LEAVE hahahaha and you will answer to this comment with somehting really stupid xD I won

          • Axxell

            Hoping to get the last comment, huh? Save that trick for a toddler like yourself; I own this place.

          • Napi

            Bye bad boy

          • Axxell

            Bye Felicia.

          • Carl

            He doesn’t. He’s the hater. You aren’t a hater when you dislike poorly received movies. lol

            I’m amazed that a terrible movie made this much. No one is surprised that Civil War did so well. It got great reviews and has a great pedigree.

          • SAMURAI36

            No, that makes you a group-thinker, AND a hater.

          • Carl

            So liking something that is universally liked means you are a group-thinker? I thought it means that said thing is just actually good and that’s why so many people like it.

            Keep hating though. It’s what you do best.

            I on the other hand love both DC and Marvel. Cant wait for Luke Cage, Shield, Supergirl and Flash this season!

          • SAMURAI36

            Uhmm, yes. That, by definition, is what makes you a group-thinker. And a hater.

          • Carl

            So you don’t understand words or logic. Got it.

            I guess I could say DC fans are victims of mob mentality then. lol

          • SAMURAI36

            That’s what the dictionary is for. Guess you’ve never read one of those. Got it.
            I’m good with the mob mentality. But that doesn’t negate your group-think mentality, which was your intention of trying to deflect in the first place.
            Just own up to the fact that you’re a Marvel Zombie, & move on.

          • Carl

            How is it deflection if I proved you wrong?

            Like I said group think is not the same as liking something that is truly worth liking. My opinion is my own and it just happens to align with the popular opinion. Example; I personally don’t like Apple products although I do recognize that they are of good quality. You can’t do that. That’s why you are a hater and DC Zombie, move on. 😉

          • SAMURAI36

            You haven’t proven anything. Talk about not knowing words & logic.
            The fact that you love to mention how “well liked” Marvel is, over & over, speaks to how you justify your like of Marvel.
            And then you keep having to talk about my “hatred”, but not your own. Why can’t you admit that you’re just a Marvel Zombie, who can’t see anything wrong with what Marvel does?
            I already know that you’re going to deflect again.

          • Carl

            I already told you, The Death Of Wolverine comic was bad. The villain in Thor 2 wasn’t good either. There now I’m not a Marvel Zombie. lol

            Now please tell me how you aren’t a DC Zombie?

            Also I explained to you the difference between group think and something just being good enough to be liked by most. Maybe you just refuse to accept that logic because it destroys your pathetic insulting argument. :)

          • SAMURAI36

            LMAO, so two minute things, means you’re not a Marvel Zombie?

            I think Booster Gold is a stupid character. If his movie doesn’t tie into the DCEU, then I’m gonna have a hard time supporting it. I think Lois Lane does more to hurt Superman’s story, than to help it.. I don’t like the Doom Patrol. I’m not a fan of the Legion. I think Watchmen is highly over rated. So is TDKR. I don’t like that it’s taken DC 20 years to bring Milestone back to prominence. Same with Shazam. I don’t like the fact that Martian Manhunter has not been highlighted in the DCEU.
            Those are the examples I could think of off the top. So is that “Zombie” enough for you?

            Also, you seem to be under the delusionment that you are some sort of great communicator. You’re not. You have a very pedestrian way of conveying ideas. A lot of times, reading your comments, it sounds like an 8th grader wrote them. To the point where I’m not convinced you are an adult at all.

            I know you are probably gonna take that as an insult, & so be it.

          • Carl

            You did just insult me, so yeah I’ll take your insult as an insult.

            I’m sure there is plenty of Marvel comic stuff I don’t like but I just avoid reading it then. Like the X-Men, they haven’t been good for years.

            Good to see you can find fault in DC comics but what about the movies? That’s where the real problems are. You can’t accept that I like DC TV and some comics but not the DCEU movies yet you yourself love the movies and have problems with the comics. That would be hypocrisy.

            I’m watching Agents of Shield now so be quiet.

          • SAMURAI36

            I was talking about EVERYTHING DC related, not just comics. You really should learn to read.
            Have fun with AoShit, & that janky &$$ Ghost Driver. You deserve it.

          • Carl

            You said nothing bad about the DCEU, the thing that has the most problems in all of DC.

            Ghost Rider was pretty awesome in Shield. Best part of the episode. It’s so hypocritical that you call him Ghost Driver as if he isn’t an actual character from the comics named Ghost Rider. What should I call the Snyderverse Batman and Superman? They aren’t like the traditional versions of the characters at all.

            How about Batmurderer and SuperEMOman? lol, oh and The Deadshot of Bel-Air or Deadsmith?

          • SAMURAI36

            Learn to read, man. I made mention of the DCEU twice.
            I call him Ghost Driver, because he drives a car. You don’t ride a car. And this version of the character is the least popular version.
            But I get why you like him…. Because you’re an A#1 Marvel Zombie.

          • Carl

            Mentioning the DCEU isn’t the same as being critical of it. So, learn to comprehend.

            Oh so superhero names need to be literal now. So I’ll call Batman, Gadget Man because he does nothing like a bat.

            I like this Ghost Rider because I watched the episode he was in and thought he was interesting. Beyond that I know little about him, but 1st impressions are very important.

            Can’t wait for Supergirl, Flash and Legends of Tomorrow to return as well!

          • Axxell

            Only DC fanboys seem to think Civil War was anything but epic. Good box office performance and even better critic reviews.

          • Technofied

            Correct! A movie that was well received by the critics that had practically every possible hero in it only 300 M ahead of the one that was critically bashed, panned and kicked out of the window. Wow, you call that a success?Even the russo brothers admitted it fell short of expectation as it was practically an avengers movie.

          • Axxell

            And because of that, it’s “s*itty”? For coming out $300m ahead of a movie you couldn’t sit in the toilet without seeing an ad for it, yet still came $40m short off GotG, despite pulling the ol’ bait and switch trailers featuring footage that wasn’t even in the movie?

            No.

        • SAMURAI36

          Nope, you’re a hater. Just say “congrats”, & keep it moving.

          • Carl

            Nope, you’re a hater. Just say “congrats” to Marvel Studios on all their movies, & keep it moving.

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  • Marquis de Sade

    How well would have s.s. done if it was scheduled during May or June? – Y’know, where the BIG BOYS come to flex? s.s. did what it did, due to a lack of real competition…Not hating, just keepin’ things in its’ proper perspective. Let the sequel come out and play with the BIG BOYS during the real SUMMER and flex – until then, dceu fangurls enjoy your hollow victory…let it sooth your pain, cuz where I’m standin’, y’alls euphoria is just a glorified placebo.
    The real test will be 2017.

    • Napi

      Such a stupid response… So… Avatar and The Force Awakens box office doesn’t mean a thing ’cause they werent scheduled during May or June “where th big boys come to flex”? Such an *sshole…

  • Rob

    From a box office standpoint, WB/DC is batting .500 this year. Suicide Squad did well. BvS did not.

    And no BvS is not a box office bomb, but that movie should have done a billion dollars worldwide. The three biggest names in the DC universe in one movie.

    • SAMURAI36

      You keep saying that same bogus narrative. The second franchise film grossed more than 90% of anything Marvel has ever done.

      • Rob

        You predicted a billion dollar run for BvS. So stop acting like it isn’t a disappointment.

        • SAMURAI36

          You keep trying to spin this same narrative over and over, despite the fact that I’ve debunked and refuted it more than once. When the discussions get hot, you tend to run away for days at a time, though.

          I’m not gonna go thru this again. For the last time, I don’t think BVS was a fail/disappointment/whatever term you wanna use. And neither does WB.

          • Rob

            You are the only one. Everyone all the way to the executives at Warner Brothers felt BvS was at least a disappointment. They fired people and restructured their organization because of it.

            But when you predict a movie will do over $125 million more than it did, you are admitting it was a disappointment by default no matter how you want to spin it after the fact. It did almost 13% less than you predicted.

          • SAMURAI36

            You’re lying. WB went on record as saying they were happy with the results. And who got fired, Rob? Name their makes, right here & now. And that whole “restructuring” thing was blown out of proportion.
            And I quoted the 13% thing to YOU, so now you’re coming at me with the same numbers I presented to YOU??
            You’re FOS, dude.

          • Rob

            LOL! WB went on record that they were happy with the results?!? What were they supposed to say? “We thought BvS tanked and sucked so we are going to put $200 million to make Justice League to support it”. WB is never going to admit publicly that they were disappointed in BvS.

            WB dumped Seth Grahame-Green from Flash and they completely reorganized their management team.

            And I don’t get why you saying that BvS underperformed by your prediction by 13% first means anything. You expected it to do at least a billion dollars and it did about 13% less than your minimum prediction. So it was a disappointment to you even if you are deciding to change your argument (shocking!).

          • SAMURAI36

            Man, you’re a huge liar. Seth left due to creative differences. His vision for Flash wasn’t a strong difference from the TV show, & he had ZERO experience with a big budget film. BUT, they kept his script.
            And you’re LYING about the reorg. Please show who the management team was before the “reorg”, & then list who they are after. We both know you can’t.
            I’ve already gone over the 13% with you. It matters that I mentioned it first (mind you, you didn’t have a response for it, cuz as I said, you like to run away from arguments when you get destroyed), because I debunked your argument.
            So once again: 13% is the difference between winning big, & winning small.

  • Thanostic

    Easy, everybody. Let’s all take a breath. I’m not sure why Winter Soldier and IM3 should be the benchmarks here; the best analog from the MCU is Guardians of the Galaxy. They both came out in the first week of August, they’re both non-traditional or niche properties, and both were therefore something of a risky venture. They were also both commercially successful; we’ll see if SS can pass GoG worldwide (GoG grossed $774 million, so they’ll probably finish relatively close to each other there). They also both exceeded the relatively modest expectations of yours truly. The primary difference is how they were received critically; obviously GoG got overwhelmingly positive reviews, while the response to SS has been more mixed. Whether that’s due to the difference in tone, the clarity of the storytelling, or the fact that GoG came first (and was therefore, by definition, more groundbreaking), I don’t know.

    The real questions will be how these two movies hold up over time, and how their sequels do. Given their statuses as non-traditional properties, will they have the staying power of Iron Man, Superman, Batman, Captain America and the like? Only time will tell.

    • SAMURAI36

      I don’t think it’s fair to move the goal posts that way. An unknown property, beating Marvel’s Premier character, especially with bad reviews & no China, is a HUGE deal. Imagine if BVS did less than GOTG; we’d never hear the end of it.

      That said, I’d love for SS to outgross GOTG, but without China, I don’t think it will happen at this point. But let the record show, that would be the ONLY reason it doesn’t.

      If it beats GOTG, then it will join BVS in the 90% club as well, & give these Marvel fans more reasons to be butt-hurt, as they already are. .

      • Thanostic

        Captain America isn’t Marvel’s premier character; Iron Man is. Box office results (which aren’t necessarily the best metric for a film’s quality, but are the subject of the article) show that convincingly. Besides, even you would have to agree that if you showed Winter Soldier & Suicide Squad to 100 neutral moviegoers, a significant majority would come away saying WS was the better movie. Besides, the crux of my earlier argument is sound: GoG is the MCU movie that is closest in nature to SS, so it’s the best comparison.

        • SAMURAI36

          Captain America isn’t Marvel’s premier character; Iron Man is. Box office results (which aren’t necessarily the best metric for a film’s quality, but are the subject of the article) show that convincingly.

          Actually, box office results most certainly do NOT show that, least of all convincingly.
          IM1 ($585M) > Cap1 ($370M)
          IM2 ($624M) Silly War ($1.1B)
          IM ekes it out by a very small margin.
          But the point is, Cap is one of Marvel’s top 2 characters. And a film (the first of its own franchise, & the 2nd in the DCEU franchise overall) just beat the first 2 films of both of Marvel’s most popular characters.

          Besides, even you would have to agree that if you showed Winter Soldier & Suicide Squad to 100 neutral moviegoers, a significant majority would come away saying WS was the better movie.

          You’re moving the goal posts again. I can (& have) found 100 people that like SS (or any other DC film) of any of these Marvel films. Also, there is no such thing as a “neutral person”, especially as it pertains to taste. We are all biased, to some extent.
          Besides, the box office results don’t bear that out. And the “crux” (your word) of the discussion is the box office.
          And why did you switch lanes like that anyway? You presented IM as the premier character, yet you didn’t use any of his films to compare to SS. Why was that? Perhaps, because you realize that the IM franchise would lose the popularity contest, against SS? Because aside from IM1, none of those films are particularly well-regarded.
          How is it that Marvel’s premier character, only has 1 good film? And adversely, how is it that the worst IM film made the most money?
          LOL, the MCU is an oxymoron unto itself, but I digress….

          Besides, the crux of my earlier argument is sound: GoG is the MCU movie that is closest in nature to SS, so it’s the best comparison.

          I agree that it is the film to beat…. RIGHT NOW. It’s already beaten most of the others. But again, without a China release, that might prove difficult…. Even though SS is currently at $720M, biz-nitches!!! ???
          Just curious, as to what kinda “logic” you guys will toss around, if it does beat GOTG…. It’s only $50 away, & that’s with bad reviews, & NO China.

          • Thanostic

            Two quick points:

            1) The box office results are more convincing than you postulate. There are two ways to look at it. First off, IM has the #3, #21 and #23 CBM results of all-time, while CA has the #4, #15 & #40 results. The other way is how you broke it down, but not only does IM take 2 of the 3 h2h matchups, IM1 crushed CA1 (50% more gross), and most importantly (this applies to the first way as well), a big part of the reason CA3 did so well is because it had IM

          • Thanostic

            (continued) had IM (as well as others) in it. IM’s star power absolutely helped Civil War reach its lofty heights. Also, I think IM has 2 good solo films, not 1 (and the one I don’t like is #2).

            2) The reason I didn’t use IM is because that’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. Premier characters should be compared against each other, and niche characters should be compared against each other. It just makes more sense, rather than saying “look, look, my movie beat Movie X for money!!” because that allows you to cherry pick your victories.

            Okay, 3 points: since you invited the IM comparison, and since you bagged on IM3 as the worst of the bunch (I actually liked it quite a bit, and the only part that I think some fans have to complain about is how they treated the Mandarin, even though I liked it), and you mentioned none of them were well-regarded…IM3 has a 79% on Rotten Tomatoes, while SS has a 26. IMDB users rated IM3 at 7.2, while they gave 6.7 for SS. I appreciate your dedication to your preferred CU, Sammy, but facts are facts.

          • SAMURAI36

            1) The box office results are more convincing than you postulate. There are two ways to look at it. First off, IM has the #3, #21 and #23 CBM results of all-time, while CA has the #4, #15 & #40 results.

            Look at those numbers again. Both sets of numbers. They are far more close than you are trying to paint them.

            The other way is how you broke it down, but not only does IM take 2 of the 3 h2h matchups, IM1 crushed CA1 (50% more gross),

            Your math is way off. 50% of IM1’s gross does not equal Cap1’s gross. Not sure how you arrived at that. It seems like you are over eager to prove Marvel’s superiority, that the details are working against you.

            and most importantly (this applies to the first way as well), a big part of the reason CA3 did so well is because it had IM (continued) had IM (as well as others) in it. IM’s star power absolutely helped Civil War reach its lofty heights. Also, I think IM has 2 good solo films, not 1 (and the one I don’t like is #2).

            Again, you’re overselling IM here. Silly War was successful, because it was essentially Avengers 2.5. It featured 2 new characters, one of which people were hoping to join the MCU.

            You’re being disingenuous by trying to imply that IM was somehow Silly War’s biggest selling point.

            2) The reason I didn’t use IM is because that’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. Premier characters should be compared against each other, and niche characters should be compared against each other. It just makes more sense, rather than saying “look, look, my movie beat Movie X for money!!” because that allows you to cherry pick your victories.

            This point is going to work against you in your next statement.

            Okay, 3 points: since you invited the IM comparison, and since you bagged on IM3 as the worst of the bunch (I actually liked it quite a bit, and the only part that I think some fans have to complain about is how they treated the Mandarin, even though I liked it), and you mentioned none of them were well-regarded…IM3 has a 79% on Rotten Tomatoes, while SS has a 26. IMDB users rated IM3 at 7.2, while they gave 6.7 for SS. I appreciate your dedication to your preferred CU, Sammy, but facts are facts.

            Yes, facts are facts. Told bad you presented very little facts here.
            For one thing, I don’t know a person alive, that thinks the last 2 IM films are in any form or fashion, better than the last 2 Cap films. So there’s that.

            Also, it’s funny that you deflect(!), by comparing the reviews of IM to the reviews of SS. Doing so only hurts your point, rather than helps it. Not only do you contradict your “cherry picked victories” statement, but all pointing out reviews does, is further highlight how much DC is kicking Marvel’s &$$ in the box office, despite poor reviews & a negative narrative.

            Further, in regards to your statement about comparisons, I feel like you are half correct. Normally, I wouldn’t compare a film like SS to IM, but in this regard, I am comparing the 3rd films of both franchises; in this case it would be IM2 to SS. And DC’s 3rd film wiped the floor with Marvel’s 3rd film. In fact, DC’s 1st film killed Marvel’s 1st, & DC’s 2nd film DECIMATED Marvel’s 2nd.

            And that’s not even counting the FACT that it’s taken DC less than 3 films to each $2B (all with mixed/negative reviews, & no China box office for one of them), where as it took Marvel more than 5 films to reach the same number, all with good/great reviews & all box numbers.

            However, I do agree that SS should be ultimately compared to GOTG, but even in so doing, you don’t paint the neat picture for Marvel. SS is right on the heels of GOTG, & the latter is this critically acclaimed film, while the former was panned, & got no China release.

            And it’s not even done in the box office.

            So, when it comes to comparisons DC comes out as the clear winner, any way you try to slice it.

            And those, my friend, are the facts.

          • Thanostic

            I think you misunderstood a couple of things I said. First, I didn’t say that IM1 did 50% of the gross of CA1, but that it did 50% MORE than CA 1 (58.1% more, to be exact, but I didn’t feel like pulling out my calculator yesterday). That’s a BIG difference between the two.

            I also didn’t say that IM was the biggest or main reason Civil War (not Silly War – you don’t see me referring to BvS as “Dawn of Disappointment” or “Realization of the Most Ludicrous Hero Fight Idea in the History of Comics”), simply that he was one of the reasons it did so well. I mentioned others as well – not by name, because there were a ton, and I know you know who was in the movie, so I didn’t think it necessary to list them all. My point in mentioning that, however, was to indicate that without all the additional star power in CW, the results would be even more lopsided. If CA3 was subtitled “Return of Red Skull” or “the Rise of Zemo” or something like that, it wouldn’t have done nearly as well.

            I also didn’t say that IM2 & IM3 were “better” in any way than CA2 & CA3 – they’re absolutely not. In fact, CA2&3 are two of my top 7-8 superhero films ever, despite Cap not being one of my favorite characters. They were that well done. I prefer IM as a character, but outside of the First Avenger, the CA movies are significantly superior, even if his trilogy didn’t do as well as IM’s in box office draw. So I’m not sure why you even brought that up.

            By the way, I don’t think it’s generally fair to compare the box offices of movies from 10-15 years ago (especially ones involving 1 character), when the CBM shared universe concept was still relatively new, to movies from today (especially ensemble ones). The shared universe concept has really gained momentum over the last decade, and I’d expect just about every CBM released today to significantly outperform those from 10-15 years ago (there are outliers – Spiderman and Nolan’s Batman – but generally today’s movies should gross significantly higher).

            Lastly, it was not my intent to “paint a neat picture for Marvel” – I was simply trying to identify the correct MCU analog for SS. I wasn’t trying to be partisan; truth be told, I like GoG and SS about the same, and wasn’t trying to score a victory for either side.

          • SAMURAI36

            I think you misunderstood a couple of things I said. First, I didn’t say that IM1 did 50% of the gross of CA1, but that it did 50% MORE than CA 1 (58.1% more, to be exact, but I didn’t feel like pulling out my calculator yesterday). That’s a BIG difference between the two.

            Ah, okay. But it’s actually not that big of a deal, when you look at the actual numbers, rather than the percentages.

            Also, in the scheme of things, neither film really grossed all that much, when you consider their budgets (production + marketing).

            If those films had been made this year, rather than 8 years ago, they’d had been laughed right out of the theaters, based on their box office grosses. In fact, the first half of the MCU would have suffered the same fate.

            But, as I have been stating for the longest on here, people are willing to give alot of good will to Marvel, for some strange reason. Meanwhile, DC film do 80-90% more than these early Marvel films, and somehow that’s not considered a win.

            Besides, when you consider the 2 franchises (Cap & IM), and their respective trilogies, it actually comes out as a wash. You wanted to focus on Cap1 and IM1, but you didn’t pull out your calculator and give me the percentage differential between Cap2 and IM2.

            (not Silly War – you don’t see me referring to BvS as “Dawn of Disappointment” or “Realization of the Most Ludicrous Hero Fight Idea in the History of Comics”),

            LOL, not sure why you’re so offended by my calling this Silly War. It’s my opinion of the film. And you’re free to call DC films whatever you like. Ive heard far worse than anything you can think up.

            I also didn’t say that IM was the biggest or main reason Civil War simply that he was one of the reasons it did so well. I mentioned others as well – not by name, because there were a ton, and I know you know who was in the movie, so I didn’t think it necessary to list them all.

            You’re not being honest here. Your exact statement was:

            and most importantly (this applies to the first way as well), a big part of the reason CA3 did so well is because it had IM (continued) had IM (as well as others) in it. IM’s star power absolutely helped Civil War reach its lofty heights. Also, I think IM has 2 good solo films, not 1 (and the one I don’t like is #2).

            You’ve been trying to oversell IM this entire time here.

            The fact is, Silly War did well, because it was Avengers 2.5. People had been calling it that long before it was even released. It had every single Avenger, minus 2, and that loss was made up for, by 2 completely new characters.

            And you’re being disingenuous, if you think that Tony’s role in that film was somehow more important to the audience that the introduction of Spidey and BP.

            My point in mentioning that, however, was to indicate that without all the additional star power in CW, the results would be even more lopsided. If CA3 was subtitled “Return of Red Skull” or “the Rise of Zemo” or something like that, it wouldn’t have done nearly as well.

            I agree, but the original Civil War story in the comics was more than just about Cap and Tony. It was an entire Marvel Universe. Silly War (the movie) attempted to present a condensed version of that. Which is why it was an Avengers film.

            And proof positive of this, is in the fact that Cap’s story arc in Silly War was the least developed. The most emotional moments in the film were Tony’s.

            That said, I think it was dishonest on Marvel’s part, to present this as a Cap story, when it was anything but.

            I also didn’t say that IM2 & IM3 were “better” in any way than CA2 & CA3 – they’re absolutely not. In fact, CA2&3 are two of my top 7-8 superhero films ever, despite Cap not being one of my favorite characters. They were that well done. I prefer IM as a character, but outside of the First Avenger, the CA movies are significantly superior, even if his trilogy didn’t do as well as IM’s in box office draw. So I’m not sure why you even brought that up.

            It was brought up, because you said:

            Captain America isn’t Marvel’s premier character; Iron Man is. Box office results (which aren’t necessarily the best metric for a film’s quality, but are the subject of the article) show that convincingly.

            For some reason, you’ve been trying to sell IM here this entire time. Which is why I said it was moving the goal posts. This article wasn’t about IM. Besides, SS has already beaten the first 2 IM films, so there’s no sucCess story to be told, by beating that dead horse.

            By the way, I don’t think it’s generally fair to compare the box offices of movies from 10-15 years ago (especially ones involving 1 character), when the CBM shared universe concept was still relatively new, to movies from today (especially ensemble ones).

            HUH? 10-15 years ago? Who’s doing that? Man, your statements are really all over the place. I’ve been talking about films from the last 8 years here.

            The shared universe concept has really gained momentum over the last decade, and I’d expect just about every CBM released today to significantly outperform those from 10-15 years ago (there are outliers – Spiderman and Nolan’s Batman – but generally today’s movies should gross significantly higher).

            I never once mentioned any of the TDK triology films here. I’m really not sure what you’re talking about.

            Lastly, it was not my intent to “paint a neat picture for Marvel” – I was simply trying to identify the correct MCU analog for SS. I wasn’t trying to be partisan; truth be told, I like GoG and SS about the same, and wasn’t trying to score a victory for either side.

            It’s not remotely unfair to compare the 3 film in the MCU to the 3rd film in the DCEU. You either make that comparison (in which SS wins by a comfortable margin), or you make the style/tone comparison, which is SS to GOTG (which SS is keeping up with GOTG on a comparitive scale, despite the handicaps).

            BTW, I don’t recall you being evenhanded, when people were saying GOTG (an unknown property) beat MOS (the most iconic property). But when the tables are reversed, people are asking for a fair one to be shot.

            But either way, I’m not sure what your you intentions here actually are.

          • Thanostic

            I’m going to narrow this down to a couple of the more important (from my view) points, for brevity. First, you’re right, all these films are from the last 8 years. It just feels like so much longer when IM and Incredible Hulk came out, probably because of all the films that have come out since. Like Indiana Jones once said – it’s not the years, it’s the mileage.

            We’re splitting hairs on drivers for Civil War’s success. I never claimed IM was the most important reason for its success, just an important reason. I don’t disagree with you that Spidey and BP are just as important. For the record, Vision/Hawkeye/Scarlett Witch/Black Widow/War Machine/AntGiantMan/Winter Soldier/Falcon are important to its success too, though in smaller degrees than the other three. I’m sorry if I didn’t make that clear enough earlier.

            I’m pretty sure I didn’t trumpet GoG over MOS at the time; not only do I not think I was even on this board at the time, MOS is my favorite DCEU movie so far (repeat: DCEU, so not including Nolan’s movies), and I’d generally rather rewatch MOS than GoG (see, I can be objective!) on a given day.

            Lastly, I think you’re viewing premier character and better movie as one and the same, but I don’t think they are. IM is undoubtedly Marvel’s premier character based on box office; that doesn’t mean IM movies are better than CA movies. Just looking at their two trilogies, if I were ranking them by quality (not box office), it would go Civil War > Winter Soldier > IM > IM3 > IM2 > First Avenger. So I was talking about 2 separate things, rather than just 1 as it seems you were.

            OK, really lastly, you said you weren’t sure what my intentions were here. I’ll just point you back to the last thing I said in the previous post: “Lastly, it was not my intent to “paint a neat picture for Marvel” – I was simply trying to identify the correct MCU analog for SS. I wasn’t trying to be partisan; truth be told, I like GoG and SS about the same, and wasn’t trying to score a victory for either side.”

          • SAMURAI36

            I’m going to narrow this down to a couple of the more important (from my view) points, for brevity. First, you’re right, all these films are from the last 8 years. It just feels like so much longer when IM and Incredible Hulk came out, probably because of all the films that have come out since. Like Indiana Jones once said – it’s not the years, it’s the mileage.

            Meh. 8 years is 8 years. Nobody does this “mileage” thing with any other franchise. The reality is, Marvel’s movie efforts are a young, recent phenomenon.

            We’re splitting hairs on drivers for Civil War’s success. I never claimed IM was the most important reason for its success, just an important reason. I don’t disagree with you that Spidey and BP are just as important. For the record, Vision/Hawkeye/Scarlett Witch/Black Widow/War Machine/AntGiantMan/Winter Soldier/Falcon are important to its success too, though in smaller degrees than the other three. I’m sorry if I didn’t make that clear enough earlier.

            Yes, all those people are important. That’s why most people view Silly War as Avengers 2.5, because it’s a full ensemble cast film.

            I’m pretty sure I didn’t trumpet GoG over MOS at the time; not only do I not think I was even on this board at the time, MOS is my favorite DCEU movie so far (repeat: DCEU, so not including Nolan’s movies), and I’d generally rather rewatch MOS than GoG (see, I can be objective!) on a given day.

            I wasn’t talking about you per se; just that this was the general perception over the internet at the time. And I’m sure you’d seen that play out on various websites.

            Lastly, I think you’re viewing premier character and better movie as one and the same, but I don’t think they are. IM is undoubtedly Marvel’s premier character based on box office; that doesn’t mean IM movies are better than CA movies. Just looking at their two trilogies, if I were ranking them by quality (not box office), it would go Civil War > Winter Soldier > IM > IM3 > IM2 > First Avenger. So I was talking about 2 separate things, rather than just 1 as it seems you were.

            This is fair enough. RDJ is clearly the spark that ignited Marvel’s cinematic fire, there’s no denying that.

            The difference between Cap and IM, is like the difference between Superman and Batman; Cap and Superman are more iconic (albeit Cap less so), while Batman and IM are the more popular.

            OK, really lastly, you said you weren’t sure what my intentions were here. I’ll just point you back to the last thing I said in the previous post: “Lastly, it was not my intent to “paint a neat picture for Marvel” – I was simply trying to identify the correct MCU analog for SS. I wasn’t trying to be partisan; truth be told, I like GoG and SS about the same, and wasn’t trying to score a victory for either side.”

            Then we are right back to where we started. It should be taken as a HUGE deal, that an unknown property, with no China box office, and bad reviews, would beat any of Marvel’s “darling” films. Especially those featuring Marvel’s premier characters (plural).

            Anyway you slice it, SS is a win, especially when you do the obligatory comparisons to Marvel.

          • Thanostic

            No one else does the “mileage thing” because no one else is putting out 2-3 films every year like the MCU. DC is starting to do that, and there are other copycats gearing up (e.g. Universal’s Monsterverse), but the MCU is unique in its established multi-movie approach, which is why I think it’s relevant here, and it’s why those first movies feel like longer than 8 years ago.

            Yes, what Suicide Squad has done is impressive, and I’m on record as saying I enjoyed SS. But let’s not overrate the effect of China on DC properties. Dawn of Disappointment did less than $100m there, despite a massive promotional effort. Nevertheless, I’m impressed by SS’s staying power.

  • batghost

    You guys seem to be the only website that keeps this narrative going. Nobody else cares how much money this movie makes besides the delusional defenders attempting to claim any sort of “win” from this disaster. I finally watched Suicide Squad, and I went into it thinking – “Sure, the reviews are bad, but it will at least be entertaining.” Wrong. This is easily the worst film i have seen in a very long time. Made terribly. Written atrociously. Zero respect to the world or the characters. Not at all surprised by how much money it has made. The majority of people are of a subpar intelligence. This speaks to them. “Welcome to the DCEU, sure we have a 26% RT score, but we surpassed a critically acclaimed Marvel movie from 2 years ago! YEAHHH!!! WE RULE!!! WE TOTALLY ARE NOT LOSERS!!! EVERYONE SAYS WE ARE THE BEST!!!!”

    • Napi

      HAHAHAHAHA “Zero respect to the world or the characters?”
      You havent ever read a comic book, righ my friend?

      • batghost

        What are comic books? Holy crap man. You stumped me. That burn was so wicked. You’re right. DC movies are awesome and Jared Leto as the Joker was soo so cool and totally not lame at all. I get it now. I guess maybe in these “comic books” you speak of (I’ll have to do some research) the Joker is supposed to be totally non-threatening dork. I think you convinced me. DC movies are so sweet. Everyone thinks so. I hear the best people all like DC. I get it now man. Thank you. Thank you so so much.

        • Napi

          Do not ever play the sarcastic again, you are awful doing that. And the thing about the Joker, its that your very OWN opinion? Or are you repeating the things you hear from other idiots without criteria like you. LOL! xD Go and get Joker from Azarello

          • batghost

            Sarcasm? Man, I can’t keep up with you hyper intelligent DC fans with your big words and awesome taste in everything. I never even thought to have my OWN opinion. WOW! what a breakthrough! I’ll never listen to other idiots again. Man, you are so right. DC 4 eva. Also, I’ll go and check out this “Joker from Azarello” you mentioned. If you told me to check it out it must be awesome, because your opinion is everything to me. Thanks. I love you.

          • Napi

            Damn… you are such a douche.

          • batghost

            Damn…you are so awesome.

          • Napi

            Hahahahaha keep playing the sarcastic because you are very intelligent and nobody catches it, right? Go on jack@ass

          • batghost

            This has been fun, but from the bottom of my heart…go fork yourself. Cheers

          • Napi

            Cya loser

      • SAMURAI36

        Yeah, where do they get these idiots from?

        • Napi

          I dont know man, but they are hilarious as fack

  • SAMURAI36

    Cognitive Dissonance #31:

    Suicide Squad’s budget grew from its original budget: “Oh, it’s gonna be a terrible mess”.

    GOTG’s budget grew from it’s original budget: http://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2015/01/27/disney-reveals-guardians-of-the-galaxy-was-over-budget-at-232-million/#70d949642f36 “it’s gonna be a great film”!!
    SS makes $700+M: “it’s gotta make $1B to break even”.
    GOTG makes $700+M: it’s a massive success!!”